[OT] Typographical quality of various engines

[OT] Typographical quality of various engines

[Jan Tosovsky]

Dear All,

I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their typographical
quality:
http://drifted.in/publishing/

From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this field to
date, so congratulation!

If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please comment
or let me know.

If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open to fix
it.

Thanks, Jan


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Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines

[luigi scarso]

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On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Jan Tosovsky <j.tosovsky@email.cz> wrote:

> On 2014-05-15 luigi scarso wrote:
> > On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote:
> > >
> > > I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for
> > > their typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/
> >
> > Another point could be the "server" property... the swiglib project is
> > an attempt to cover this side
> >
> > https://swiglib.foundry.supelec.fr/
>
> I am sad seeing lot of technical details without single sentence covering
> benefits for the end user...
>
> It depends on the "end user" term.
It's the other side of digital typography: high speed of "low quality" jobs,
where the core  is the automatic workflow and the "end user" is often a
"traditional programmer" .



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Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines

[Jan Tosovsky]

On 2014-05-15 luigi scarso wrote:
> On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote:
> >
> > I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for
> > their typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ 
> 
> Another point could be the "server" property... the swiglib project is
> an attempt to cover this side
> 
> https://swiglib.foundry.supelec.fr/

I am sad seeing lot of technical details without single sentence covering benefits for the end user... 

Jan




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Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines

[luigi scarso]

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On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Jan Tosovsky <j.tosovsky@email.cz> wrote:

> On 2014-05-15 Hans Hagen wrote:
> > On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote:
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their
> > > typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/
> > >
> > > From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this
> > > field to date, so congratulation!
> > >
> > > If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please
> > > comment or let me know.
> > >
> > > If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open
> > > to fix it.
> >
> > Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset
> >
> > Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course
> > given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite
> > some characters in context.
>
> Good point, it should be clarified it is a default vector set, which can be
> further customized (extended).
> My info is based on this Wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Protrusion
> pointing to this source code:
> http://source.contextgarden.net/font-ext.lua
>
> By that subset I mean the table vectors['default']
>
>
> > Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying
> > feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not
> > many fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic
> > alternates so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic).
>
> Yes, I am aware of this, but it is indeed not very obvious from the text.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions,
>
> Jan
>
> Another point could be the "server" property... the swiglib project is an
attempt to cover this side
https://swiglib.foundry.supelec.fr/
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Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/15/2014 7:39 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote:
> On 2014-05-15 Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their
>>> typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/
>>>
>>>  From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this
>>> field to date, so congratulation!
>>>
>>> If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please
>>> comment or let me know.
>>>
>>> If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open
>>> to fix it.
>>
>> Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset
>>
>> Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course
>> given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite
>> some characters in context.
>
> Good point, it should be clarified it is a default vector set, which can be
> further customized (extended).
> My info is based on this Wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Protrusion
> pointing to this source code:
> http://source.contextgarden.net/font-ext.lua
>
> By that subset I mean the table vectors['default']

yes but we also initialize all similar shapes

>> Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying
>> feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not
>> many fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic
>> alternates so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic).
>
> Yes, I am aware of this, but it is indeed not very obvious from the text.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions,
>
> Jan
>
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Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines

[Jan Tosovsky]

On 2014-05-15 Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their
> > typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/
> >
> > From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this 
> > field to date, so congratulation!
> >
> > If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please
> > comment or let me know.
> >
> > If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open
> > to fix it.
> 
> Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset
> 
> Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course
> given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite
> some characters in context.

Good point, it should be clarified it is a default vector set, which can be
further customized (extended).
My info is based on this Wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Protrusion
pointing to this source code:
http://source.contextgarden.net/font-ext.lua 

By that subset I mean the table vectors['default']


> Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying
> feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not
> many fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic 
> alternates so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic).

Yes, I am aware of this, but it is indeed not very obvious from the text.

Thanks for your suggestions,

Jan

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Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their typographical
> quality:
> http://drifted.in/publishing/
>
>  From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this field to
> date, so congratulation!
>
> If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please comment
> or let me know.
>
> If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open to fix
> it.

Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset

Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course 
given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite 
some characters in context.

Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying 
feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not many 
fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic alternates 
so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic).

Hans

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