Re: natural table oddities

Re: natural table oddities

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

I would be happy about some answers/comments.
Hraban

Am 13.03.23 um 23:26 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> Working on the documentation for “natural tables” in my book I stumbled 
> upon a few oddities/problems:
> 
> ## Addressing cells:
> 
> * There’s \setupTABLE[header], but not "footer" (or "section"); since we 
> have TABLEhead and TABLEfoot, IMO "head" and "foot" would make sense.
> 
> * Row 1 is the first row of TABLEbody. I couldn’t find how to address 
> the first line of TABLEbody.
> 
> * If I format a column, e.g. \setupTABLE[c][-1][color=red], body and 
> foot are formatted, but not the same column in header. I couldn’t find 
> how to format columns in header.
> 
> * I don’t understand the addressing options "start" and "one".
> 
> 
> ## Formatting
> 
> * maxwidth doesn’t seem to have an effect, neither on the whole table 
> nor on a column.
> * textwidth works only for the whole table.
> * width gets stretched if option=stretch; i.e. I can’t fix the width of 
> single cells or columns.
> 
> 
> ## Page breaking
> 
> * What’s the difference between split=repeat and header=repeat ?
> 
> 
> 
> I’d like to know if there are misunderstandings / if the behavior is 
> intentional.

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Re: natural table oddities

[Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context]

If you're asking for comments with a view to making changes then...

> On 27 Mar 2023, at 15:03, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> I would be happy about some answers/comments.
> Hraban
> 
> Am 13.03.23 um 23:26 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
>> Working on the documentation for “natural tables” in my book I stumbled upon a few oddities/problems:
>> ## Addressing cells:
>> * There’s \setupTABLE[header], but not "footer" (or "section"); since we have TABLEhead and TABLEfoot, IMO "head" and "foot" would make sense.

I'd be happy with that, especially as there is already headstyle and headcolor.

>> * Row 1 is the first row of TABLEbody. I couldn’t find how to address the first line of TABLEbody.
>> * If I format a column, e.g. \setupTABLE[c][-1][color=red], body and foot are formatted, but not the same column in header. I couldn’t find how to format columns in header.

If you disregard the Wiki page instructions to use \bTH...\eTH then you can format the header using:

  \bTABLEhead
    \bTR \bTH Column 1 \eTH \bTD[color=blue] Column 2 \eTD \eTR
  \eTABLEhead

but I'm not sure what the consequences might be, if any. You lose the default bold heading so maybe that's all /bTH.../eTH is adding?

It would be nice to have a way of specifying the header explicitly. My suggestion would be to have:
- \setupTABLE[r][head][...] affect just the header
- \setupTABLE[r][next][...] affect the new page header
- \setupTABLE[r][first|last|body][...] affect the first, or last, or only the body rows (i.e. not the header or footer)
- \setupTABLE[r][foot][...] affect just the footer 

[r][last] (and [r][-1]) would represent the last body row (but not the footer row if one has been requested).

Extending to the formatting of header/footer/next etc columns is not quite so neat as an extra parameter is required, e.g. [c][<n>][head][...] to reference column n in the header. For consistency the syntax [c][<n>][body][...] could be an option.


>> * I don’t understand the addressing options "start" and "one".

Me neither. :)

>> ## Formatting
>> * maxwidth doesn’t seem to have an effect, neither on the whole table nor on a column.
>> * textwidth works only for the whole table.
>> * width gets stretched if option=stretch; i.e. I can’t fix the width of single cells or columns.

For me, \setupTABLE [c] [1] [width=3cm] fixes the width of column 1 and forces long text to wrap.

I'm not sure what your \textwidth comment relates to because \setupTABLE [c] [1] [width=.2\textwidth] works as expected for me.


>> ## Page breaking
>> * What’s the difference between split=repeat and header=repeat ?

\setupTABLE [split=repeat] % works as expected for me
\setupTABLE [header=repeat] % doesn't work for me


>> I’d like to know if there are misunderstandings / if the behavior is intentional.

—
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, UK

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natural table oddities

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

[This mail sat in my drafts folder for days; wanted to research more 
first, well…]

Am 28.03.23 um 02:19 schrieb Bruce Horrocks:
> If you're asking for comments with a view to making changes then...

I can’t make the changes myself, only suggest them to Hans.

>> On 27 Mar 2023, at 15:03, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

>>> * If I format a column, e.g. \setupTABLE[c][-1][color=red], body and foot are formatted, but not the same column in header. I couldn’t find how to format columns in header.
> 
> If you disregard the Wiki page instructions to use \bTH...\eTH then you can format the header using:
\bTD ... \eTD

> but I'm not sure what the consequences might be, if any. You lose the default bold heading so maybe that's all /bTH.../eTH is adding?

Yes, I also found that out – either I sent an incomplete email, or I 
forgot to add my later “research”. 🤔

TH (table header, not Taco or Tomáš 😉) adds a separation between header 
and body cells, but setting up "header" affects both TD and TH within 
TABLEhead.

> It would be nice to have a way of specifying the header explicitly. My suggestion would be to have:
> - \setupTABLE[r][head][...] affect just the header
> - \setupTABLE[r][next][...] affect the new page header
> - \setupTABLE[r][first|last|body][...] affect the first, or last, or only the body rows (i.e. not the header or footer)
> - \setupTABLE[r][foot][...] affect just the footer
> 
> [r][last] (and [r][-1]) would represent the last body row (but not the footer row if one has been requested).

I agree.

>>> ## Formatting
>>> * maxwidth doesn’t seem to have an effect, neither on the whole table nor on a column.
>>> * textwidth works only for the whole table.
>>> * width gets stretched if option=stretch; i.e. I can’t fix the width of single cells or columns.
> 
> For me, \setupTABLE [c] [1] [width=3cm] fixes the width of column 1 and forces long text to wrap.

But the width of a column is not fixed if you set option=stretch, then 
*all* columns are stretched, not only the undefined.

Hraban
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natural table oddities

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Working on the documentation for “natural tables” I stumbled upon a few 
oddities/problems.
I’d like to know if there are misunderstandings on my part or if the 
behavior is intentional.

BTW enattab.pdf is missing in the LMTX distribution.

## Options

* before/after/inbetween values don’t appear anywhere.
* spaceinbetween should insert between rows, but nothing happens.
* splitoffset doesn’t seem to change anything.
* What’s samepage for?


## Addressing cells

* It’s not possible to address single cells with \setupTABLE, or is it?

* There’s \setupTABLE[header], but not "footer" (or "section"); since we 
have TABLEhead and TABLEfoot, IMO "head" and "foot" would make sense.

* Row 1 is the first row of TABLEbody. I couldn’t find how to address 
the first line of TABLEbody.

* Is it possible, and how, to use odd/even only for the body?

* If I format a column, e.g. \setupTABLE[c][-1][color=red], body and 
foot are formatted, but not the same column in header. (I found out, if 
I use TD instead of TH in the header, it works.)

* I don’t understand the addressing options "start" and "one".


## Formatting

* maxwidth doesn’t seem to have an effect, neither on the whole table 
nor on a column.
* textwidth works only for the whole table.
* width gets stretched if option=stretch; i.e. you can’t fix the width 
of single cells or columns.


## Page breaking

* What’s the difference between [split=repeat] and 
[split=yes,header=repeat], i.e. which sense makes the header option)?

* Is there an option to repeat the footer (as the last line of each 
page)? (I’d imagine to use it in an invoice or similar calculation for a 
subtotal – that would imply some more magic…)


Hraban
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