a cross-reference query

a cross-reference query

[jbf via ntg-context]

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Hi list,

In an attempt to make a dictionary interactive in certain ways, perhaps 
I am misusing the \in{}[] command here, but sometimes a reference works 
and sometimes it doesn't. I have no idea why it doesn't. Here is the 
situation:

Each dictionary entry is a section that has been defined as 'entry', 
hence we have a \startentry[title=,marking=,reference=]...\stopentry 
structure. Many entries can refer to other entries in the dictionary (in 
most cases the headword is in Italian, but the definitions, explanations 
are in English in all cases). in 90% of cases my referencing is working, 
so here is an example of one that works when 
\setupinteraction[state=start] is set:

\startentry[title={1aetà},marking={1aetà},reference={eta}]\\

1. youth. 2. first age. {\emnp.} \bullet\enspaceThe age between 
adolescence and maturity and by extension all of the human being’sfirst 
age (as opposed to old age).

Different cultures distinguish} age groupings in different ways. One 
would be unlikely to find, in English, terms like first age, second age 
etc. as recorded here. In fact there are probably only three general 
groupings in English: young, middle-aged, elderly, and the boundaries 
are rather flexible for these. Among the young category, English might 
distinguish infants, children, adolescents young adults. 
\rightarrow\enspace \in{giovani}[giovani]

\stopentry

In other words, there is an entry called 'giovani' and it begins 
\startentry[title={giovani},marking={giovani},reference={giovani}]. That 
correctly gives me a bold green clickable link which takes me to 
'giovani'. There is no number or page reference involved. I simply want 
the link to take me to the entry concerned.

But it does not always work. I have another entry called 'ad nutum' 
(Latin, not Italian in this case) with a reference to 'segretario' many 
pages on. I am absolutely sure I have the reference for segretario 
properly set up, both in its own entry and by calling it as I did for 
'giovani', namely this time as \in{segretario}[segretario] but it is not 
recognized. This is not the only non-working case. There are several.

Can anyone give me a hint as to what I might be doing wrong? I realise 
that usually these references call on page numbers or section numbers, 
but I don't want/need (or do I?) to use those. I simply the reader to be 
able to click on a hyperlink which takes them to the referenced entry.

Julian

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Re: a cross-reference query

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Hi Julian,

while I can’t help you with the real issue, a few hints:

* Look into the .tuc file for the references. Do you find differences 
between working and not-working examples?

* Do the examples work if you take them out of your big document or if 
you change the order?

* There are “strange” space characters in your message, they disappear 
in the quoted version below. That might cause troubles in typesetting 
and referencing.

* You don’t need to set "marking" if it’s the same as the title.

* It might make sense to use \about instead of \in – \about[eta] would 
render as “1a età“

* I would define a few macros, e.g. for the \in where both parameters 
are the same and for stuff like \bullet\enspace – probably you just left 
these out to simplify the example.

Hraban


Am 10.05.22 um 04:03 schrieb jbf via ntg-context:
> Hi list,
> 
> In an attempt to make a dictionary interactive in certain ways, perhaps 
> I am misusing the \in{}[] command here, but sometimes a reference works 
> and sometimes it doesn't. I have no idea why it doesn't. Here is the 
> situation:
> 
> Each dictionary entry is a section that has been defined as 'entry', 
> hence we have a \startentry[title=,marking=,reference=]...\stopentry 
> structure. Many entries can refer to other entries in the dictionary (in 
> most cases the headword is in Italian, but the definitions, explanations 
> are in English in all cases). in 90% of cases my referencing is working, 
> so here is an example of one that works when 
> \setupinteraction[state=start] is set:
> 
> \startentry[title={1aetà},marking={1aetà},reference={eta}]\\
> 
> 1. youth. 2. first age. {\emnp.} \bullet\enspaceThe age between 
> adolescence and maturity and by extension all of the human being’sfirst 
> age (as opposed to old age).
> 
> Different cultures distinguish} age groupings in different ways. One 
> would be unlikely to find, in English, terms like first age, second age 
> etc. as recorded here. In fact there are probably only three general 
> groupings in English: young, middle-aged, elderly, and the boundaries 
> are rather flexible for these. Among the young category, English might 
> distinguish infants, children, adolescents young adults. 
> \rightarrow\enspace \in{giovani}[giovani]
> 
> \stopentry
> 
> In other words, there is an entry called 'giovani' and it begins 
> \startentry[title={giovani},marking={giovani},reference={giovani}]. That 
> correctly gives me a bold green clickable link which takes me to 
> 'giovani'. There is no number or page reference involved. I simply want 
> the link to take me to the entry concerned.
> 
> But it does not always work. I have another entry called 'ad nutum' 
> (Latin, not Italian in this case) with a reference to 'segretario' many 
> pages on. I am absolutely sure I have the reference for segretario 
> properly set up, both in its own entry and by calling it as I did for 
> 'giovani', namely this time as \in{segretario}[segretario] but it is not 
> recognized. This is not the only non-working case. There are several.
> 
> Can anyone give me a hint as to what I might be doing wrong? I realise 
> that usually these references call on page numbers or section numbers, 
> but I don't want/need (or do I?) to use those. I simply the reader to be 
> able to click on a hyperlink which takes them to the referenced entry.
> 
> Julian
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Re: a cross-reference query

[Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context]

> On 10 May 2022, at 04:03, jbf via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> Can anyone give me a hint as to what I might be doing wrong? I realise that usually these references call on page numbers or section numbers, but I don't want/need (or do I?) to use those. I simply the reader to be able to click on a hyperlink which takes them to the referenced entry.

Check for duplicates (referenced definitions with the same key). That problem has hit me a number of times.

Best wishes,
Taco

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Re: a cross-reference query

[jbf via ntg-context]

Thanks Hraban, Taco. It is very helpful to get these hints. I will work 
through them calmly over the next day or so. Not sure why the spaces 
disappeared in the message (1 età came out as 1età etc.). Probably 
because I copy-pasted from the text editor but all spacing is correct in 
the editor I can assure you.

It's a very big document, hundreds of pages, so I even wondered if the 
size of the document was a factor. But Taco's warning about possible 
duplicates definitely becomes a possibility in a very large doc! Anyway, 
I'll work through those hints and see where things are at after that.

Julian

On 10/5/22 16:47, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi Julian,
>
> while I can’t help you with the real issue, a few hints:
>
> * Look into the .tuc file for the references. Do you find differences 
> between working and not-working examples?
>
> * Do the examples work if you take them out of your big document or if 
> you change the order?
>
> * There are “strange” space characters in your message, they disappear 
> in the quoted version below. That might cause troubles in typesetting 
> and referencing.
>
> * You don’t need to set "marking" if it’s the same as the title.
>
> * It might make sense to use \about instead of \in – \about[eta] would 
> render as “1a età“
>
> * I would define a few macros, e.g. for the \in where both parameters 
> are the same and for stuff like \bullet\enspace – probably you just 
> left these out to simplify the example.
>
> Hraban
>
>
> Am 10.05.22 um 04:03 schrieb jbf via ntg-context:
>> Hi list,
>>
>> In an attempt to make a dictionary interactive in certain ways, 
>> perhaps I am misusing the \in{}[] command here, but sometimes a 
>> reference works and sometimes it doesn't. I have no idea why it 
>> doesn't. Here is the situation:
>>
>> Each dictionary entry is a section that has been defined as 'entry', 
>> hence we have a \startentry[title=,marking=,reference=]...\stopentry 
>> structure. Many entries can refer to other entries in the dictionary 
>> (in most cases the headword is in Italian, but the definitions, 
>> explanations are in English in all cases). in 90% of cases my 
>> referencing is working, so here is an example of one that works when 
>> \setupinteraction[state=start] is set:
>>
>> \startentry[title={1aetà},marking={1aetà},reference={eta}]\\
>>
>> 1. youth. 2. first age. {\emnp.} \bullet\enspaceThe age between 
>> adolescence and maturity and by extension all of the human 
>> being’sfirst age (as opposed to old age).
>>
>> Different cultures distinguish} age groupings in different ways. One 
>> would be unlikely to find, in English, terms like first age, second 
>> age etc. as recorded here. In fact there are probably only three 
>> general groupings in English: young, middle-aged, elderly, and the 
>> boundaries are rather flexible for these. Among the young category, 
>> English might distinguish infants, children, adolescents young 
>> adults. \rightarrow\enspace \in{giovani}[giovani]
>>
>> \stopentry
>>
>> In other words, there is an entry called 'giovani' and it begins 
>> \startentry[title={giovani},marking={giovani},reference={giovani}]. 
>> That correctly gives me a bold green clickable link which takes me to 
>> 'giovani'. There is no number or page reference involved. I simply 
>> want the link to take me to the entry concerned.
>>
>> But it does not always work. I have another entry called 'ad nutum' 
>> (Latin, not Italian in this case) with a reference to 'segretario' 
>> many pages on. I am absolutely sure I have the reference for 
>> segretario properly set up, both in its own entry and by calling it 
>> as I did for 'giovani', namely this time as 
>> \in{segretario}[segretario] but it is not recognized. This is not the 
>> only non-working case. There are several.
>>
>> Can anyone give me a hint as to what I might be doing wrong? I 
>> realise that usually these references call on page numbers or section 
>> numbers, but I don't want/need (or do I?) to use those. I simply the 
>> reader to be able to click on a hyperlink which takes them to the 
>> referenced entry.
>>
>> Julian
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