Re: \showmakeup adds unwanted space despite accurate readings; \qquad mandatory before \TeX\

[Carlos <linguafalsa@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 09:16:58AM -0400, Carlos wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2023 at 06:52:30PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > On 7/5/2023 6:38 PM, Carlos wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 05, 2023 at 06:12:32PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > > > On 7/5/2023 5:53 PM, Carlos wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Jul 05, 2023 at 04:43:56PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > > > > > On 7/5/2023 3:18 PM, Carlos wrote:
> > > > > > > \showmakeup on \TeX\ shows a
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > tSP:3.282
> > > > > > > THK:-1.721
> > > > > > > H__E
> > > > > > > X
> > > > > > > HK:-1.291
> > > > > > > SP:3.282
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > no MWE includes so clueless
> > > > > 
> > > > > \starttypescript[mylucidaserif]
> > > > >     \definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightRegular]    [file:LucidaBrightRegular]
> > > > >     \definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightItalic]     [file:LucidaBrightItalic]
> > > > >     \definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightDemiBold]       [file:LucidaBrightDemiBold]
> > > > >     \definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightDemiItalic] [file:LucidaBrightDemiItalic]
> > > > > \stoptypescript
> > > > Hm, isn't that this lucida rip off again? Maybe bad metricks then but I'm
> > > > not going to look into that as the official TUG lucida opentype fonts
> > > > perform okay.
> > > > 
> > > > Hans
> > > 
> > > The first sentence is irrelevant. And a guess. Bad metrics is not the
> > > culprit
> > > 
> > > if it were true, the same problem would be under lualatex, correct?
> > 
> > well, who knows what (me)tricks those fonts have embedded .. are these the
> > official TUG lucida open type fonts? if so,
> > 
> > \setupbodyfont[lucida]
> > 
> > should just work (btw, you also don't set up math)
> > 
> > > But it's not there.
> > I can't (and won't) check that as I don't have (lua)latex installed nor have
> > those fonts. I also don't see where this \qquad is in your example.
> 
> 
> Using the same fonts under lualatex yields \TeX\ without an issue. 
> 
> \documentclass{article}
> 
> \usepackage{unicode-math}
> 
> \defaultfontfeatures{Ligatures=TeX}
> 
> \setmainfont[
>       ItalicFont=LucidaBrightItalic,
>         BoldFont=LucidaBrightDemiBold,
>   BoldItalicFont=LucidaBrightDemiItalic,
>   ]{LucidaBrightRegular}
> %
> \setsansfont[
>       ItalicFont=LucidaSansOblique,
>         BoldFont=LucidaSansDemiBold,
>   BoldItalicFont=LucidaSansDemiOblique,
>   ]{LucidaSansRegular}
> %
> \setmonofont[
> %      ItalicFont=LucidaTypewriterOblique,
>         BoldFont=LucidaTypewriterBold,
> %  BoldItalicFont=LucidaTypewriterBoldOblique,
>   ]{LucidaTypewriterRegular}
> 
> \begin{document}
> 
> {\rm    \input{knuth}}
> 
> \textsf{\input{knuth}}
> 
> \end{document}
> 
> > 
> > As for the \showmakup ... it is used extensively and afaiks there are no
> > issues with it.
> 
> After running lualatex the problem dissappears. Or it seems like it. 
> 

I take it back. It doesn't disappear. It's still there.  \showmakeup
yields the right readings but yet the kerning is off on \TeX\.

With \showmakeup everything ‹seems› correct. I guess the readings
output are correct, and also, amazingly, the horizontal kerning,
as you aptly named it, for \TeX\

Not under lualatex. Everytihng seems fine there.

But I perfectly understand that there would not be any support for these
fonts. Thanks though! 

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go through) 


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