typearea

typearea

[Peter Münster]

Hello,
I'm just switching from LaTeX to ConTeXt. Is there already a module with
similar functionalities as the typearea¹ package that comes with LaTeX?

¹ typearea comes with KOMA-Script and permits to automatically calculate
the right margins with respect to some typographic rules.

Cheers, Peter

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Re: typearea

[Hans Hagen]

At 19:24 04/01/2004, you wrote:
>Hello,
>I'm just switching from LaTeX to ConTeXt. Is there already a module with
>similar functionalities as the typearea¹ package that comes with LaTeX?
>
>¹ typearea comes with KOMA-Script and permits to automatically calculate
>the right margins with respect to some typographic rules.

it's not to hard to implement (predefine) a few layout like that, if 
someone figures out the dimensions and rules ...

Hans  

Re: typearea

[Peter Münster]

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Hans Hagen wrote:

> >I'm just switching from LaTeX to ConTeXt. Is there already a module with
> >similar functionalities as the typearea¹ package that comes with LaTeX?
> >
> >¹ typearea comes with KOMA-Script and permits to automatically calculate
> >the right margins with respect to some typographic rules.
>
> it's not to hard to implement (predefine) a few layout like that, if
> someone figures out the dimensions and rules ...

Ok, I'm going to try it, perhaps it'll be my first ConTeXt module ;)
Cheers, Peter

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Re: typearea

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Dienstag, 06.01.04, um 08:21 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Peter 
Münster:
> Ok, I'm going to try it, perhaps it'll be my first ConTeXt module ;)

It shouldn't be a module, but an environment.


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Re: typearea

[Peter Münster]

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> Am Dienstag, 06.01.04, um 08:21 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Peter
> Münster:
> > Ok, I'm going to try it, perhaps it'll be my first ConTeXt module ;)
>
> It shouldn't be a module, but an environment.

All right. Here is my first try, where you can see, that I've still a
problem to be solved, so I would be lucky about any help:

% this environment works a little bit like \usepackage[DIVcalc]{typearea}
% in LaTeX as explained in detail in scrguien.pdf (KOMA-Script documentation)
\startenvironment e-test
\def\BCOR{3mm}% eventual binding correction
\setbox\scratchbox\hbox{\dorecurse{26}{\character\recurselevel}}
\newdimen\PageWidth
\PageWidth=\paperwidth
\doifmode{BCOR}{\PageWidth=\dimexpr(\PageWidth-\BCOR)}

%%%%%% Here is the problem: dividing one length by another. %%%%%%
% the following is not working for 2 reasons:
% * there is still the "pt" behind the numbers
% * one cannot divide by a real number, only integer
%\edef\Ratio{\the\numexpr(\the\paperheight / \the\PageWidth)}
\edef\Ratio{1.5}% to make the rest work...
\newdimen\Width
\newdimen\Height
\newdimen\Back
\Width=\dimexpr(2.5\wd\scratchbox)
\Height=\dimexpr(\Ratio\Width)
\headerheight=2.75\baselineskip
\edef\Top{\the\dimexpr((\paperheight - \Height) / 3 - \headerheight)}
\doifmodeelse{oneside}{%
  \Back=\dimexpr((\PageWidth - \Width) / 2)
}{%
  \Back=\dimexpr((\PageWidth - \Width) / 3)
  \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]}
\doifmode{BCOR}{\Back=\dimexpr(\Back + \BCOR)}
\Height=\dimexpr(\Height + \headerheight + \footerheight)
\setuplayout[header=\the\headerheight,height=\the\Height,
  width=\the\Width,topspace=\Top,backspace=\the\Back]
\stopenvironment

Peter

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Re: typearea

[Peter Münster]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Peter Münster wrote:

> %%%%%% Here is the problem: dividing one length by another. %%%%%%

Hello,
I've found a solution. Here is now the full environment:

% this environment works a little bit like \usepackage[DIVcalc]{typearea}
% in LaTeX as explained in detail in scrguien.pdf (KOMA-Script documentation)
\startenvironment e-test
\def\BCOR{3mm}% eventual binding correction
\setbox\scratchbox\hbox{\dorecurse{26}{\character\recurselevel}}
\newdimen\PageWidth
\PageWidth=\paperwidth
\doifmode{BCOR}{\PageWidth=\dimexpr(\PageWidth-\BCOR)}
\unprotect
\begingroup
  \catcode`P=12
  \catcode`T=12
  \lowercase{\def\x@x{%
    \def\rem@pt##1.##2PT{##1.##2}%
    \def\rem@@pt##1.##2PT{##1}}}
\expandafter\endgroup\x@x
\def\strip@Pt{\expandafter\rem@pt\the}
\def\strip@PT{\expandafter\rem@@pt\the}
\edef\Ratio{\strip@Pt\dimexpr(10\paperheight/\strip@PT\dimexpr(10\PageWidth))}
\protect
\newdimen\Width
\newdimen\Height
\newdimen\Back
\Width=\dimexpr(2.5\wd\scratchbox)
\Height=\dimexpr(\Ratio\Width)
\headerheight=2.75\baselineskip
\edef\Top{\the\dimexpr((\paperheight - \Height) / 3 - \headerheight)}
\doifmodeelse{oneside}{%
  \Back=\dimexpr((\PageWidth - \Width) / 2)
}{%
  \Back=\dimexpr((\PageWidth - \Width) / 3)
  \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]}
\doifmode{BCOR}{\Back=\dimexpr(\Back + \BCOR)}
\Height=\dimexpr(\Height + \headerheight + \footerheight)
\setuplayout[header=\the\headerheight,height=\the\Height,
  width=\the\Width,topspace=\Top,backspace=\the\Back]
\stopenvironment

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Re: typearea

[Hans Hagen]

At 19:33 14/01/2004, you wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Peter Münster wrote:
>
> > %%%%%% Here is the problem: dividing one length by another. %%%%%%

[code skipped]

Some days ago Willy Egger sent me a translation/summary of this koma page 
size adventure.

Since I opt for a more contexty solution i want to follow a stepwise 
approach in getting this done. As a start:

(1) the ratio: this is the most efficient and (on average) accurate 
solution that also handles large paper sizes:

%edef\layoutratio{\withoutpt{\the\dimexpr(8\paperheight/\dimexpr(\paperwidth/ 
8192))}}
%edef\layoutratio{\withoutpt{\the\dimexpr(4\paperheight/\dimexpr(\paperwidth/16384))}}
%edef\layoutratio{\withoutpt{\the\dimexpr(2\paperheight/\dimexpr(\paperwidth/32768))}}
\edef\layoutratio{\withoutpt{\the\dimexpr(2\paperheight/(\paperwidth/32768))}}

(2) for the moment this way, will be handled slightly different (because in 
context we can mix layouts and layouts can be dynamic

\def\layoutwidth
   {10cm}

\unprotected \def\layouthfheight
   {\dimexpr(\layoutparameter\c!hoofd+\layoutparameter\c!hoofdafstand+
             \layoutparameter\c!voet +\layoutparameter\c!voetafstand )}

\def\layoutheight
   {\dimexpr(\layoutratio\dimexpr(\layoutwidth)+\layouthfheight)}

(3) this brings us:

\definelayout
   [koma] % actually i want a better name since it's one of a set of 
calculations
   [backspace=\dimexpr((\paperwidth-\layoutwidth)/2),
    width=middle, % less rounding errors than \layoutwidth,
    cutspace=\dimexpr((\paperwidth-\layoutwidth)/2),
    header=2\lineheight,
    headerdistance=\lineheight,
    height=middle, % less rounding errors than \layoutheight
    footerdistance=\lineheight,
    footer=2\lineheight,
    topspace=\dimexpr(1\dimexpr(\paperheight-(\layoutheight+\layouthfheight))/3),
    bottomspace=\dimexpr(2\dimexpr(\paperheight-(\layoutheight+\layouthfheight))/3)]

\setuplayout
   [koma]

(4) the 'number of chars per line' .. i'll come back to that

Hans

Re: typearea

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Since I opt for a more contexty solution i want to follow a stepwise
> approach in getting this done. As a start:

Thank you, Hans, for your efforts!

> \edef\layoutratio{\withoutpt{\the\dimexpr(2\paperheight/(\paperwidth/32768))}}

Very strange, it works, but I don't understand how 2 * a / (b / 32768) == a/b

> \unprotected \def\layouthfheight
>    {\dimexpr(\layoutparameter\c!hoofd+\layoutparameter\c!hoofdafstand+
>              \layoutparameter\c!voet +\layoutparameter\c!voetafstand )}

Ok ok, I'm going to learn Dutch... ;-)

>    [backspace=\dimexpr((\paperwidth-\layoutwidth)/2),
>     cutspace=\dimexpr((\paperwidth-\layoutwidth)/2),

Do I understand it right, backspace is the inner margin, and cutspace the
outer one?  Are both needed?

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Re: typearea

[Hans Hagen]

At 20:06 19/01/2004, you wrote:

> > 
> \edef\layoutratio{\withoutpt{\the\dimexpr(2\paperheight/(\paperwidth/32768))}}
>
>Very strange, it works, but I don't understand how 2 * a / (b / 32768) == a/b

one can divide a dimen by a dimen in which case the dimen is cast on a 
counter (internally a dimen is just a number, with a sp unit); we need to 
compensate by 64K then; i multiply by two first to get rid of inaccuracy 
etc etc

>Do I understand it right, backspace is the inner margin, and cutspace the
>outer one?  Are both needed?

no, but it permits width=middle

Hans  

Re: typearea

[Willi Egger]

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Hi Hans,

I was surfing the internet looking for "Häufigkeitstabelle"  frequncy 
and alike for letters. Please have a look at the attached file with some 
links.
Apparently nobody does care about capitals - which is rather strange 
when considering our purposes. On the other hand it is quite 
understandable realizing that such info is used in cryptography...

Kind regards
Willi

Hans Hagen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I need the more or less official character frequency tables of 
> languages other than dutch (for german probably including capitals)
>
>   http://www.pragma-pod.com/downloads/koma/komacalc.pdf
>
> (we may find a few more methods)
>
> Hans
>
>
>
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http://520046051430-0001.bei.t-online.de/krypt.htm

Analyse van tekst over verdeling letter frequentie
http://www.informatik.fh-muenchen.de/~schieder/programmieren-1-ws96-97/uebung-lettercount.html

Tellen frequentie met perl
http://www.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~zinsmeis/Perl/material/Musterloesung6.pdf

Artikel over toetsenborden, bevat tabel met 4 talen
http://goebel-consult.de/de-ergo/rohmert/Rohmert.html

Duits - Engels vergeleken
http://www.blankenburg.de/gat/pages/fach/info/analyse2.htm

Re: typearea

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

I need the more or less official character frequency tables of languages 
other than dutch (for german probably including capitals)

   http://www.pragma-pod.com/downloads/koma/komacalc.pdf

(we may find a few more methods)

Hans



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