startTEXpage on A4

startTEXpage on A4

[Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context]

Hi,

is there a way to have something like

\setuppapersize[A5][A4]

but have the "inner paper size" be a computed fit like in
\startTEXpage?

Or, alternatively, is there is a way to print crop marks around
an environment like \startTEXpage?

Thanks,
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Re: startTEXpage on A4

[Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context]

Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context schrieb am 09.10.2022 um 15:19:
> Hi,
>
> is there a way to have something like
>
> \setuppapersize[A5][A4]
>
> but have the "inner paper size" be a computed fit like in
> \startTEXpage?
>
> Or, alternatively, is there is a way to print crop marks around
> an environment like \startTEXpage?

Can you be more concrete what your goal is, there are a few ways to solve
your problem but with a few more information we can give you a good 
solution.

Wolfgang

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Re: startTEXpage on A4

[Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context]

Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:

> Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context schrieb am 09.10.2022 um 15:19:
>> Hi,
>>
>> is there a way to have something like
>>
>> \setuppapersize[A5][A4]
>>
>> but have the "inner paper size" be a computed fit like in
>> \startTEXpage?
>>
>> Or, alternatively, is there is a way to print crop marks around
>> an environment like \startTEXpage?
>
> Can you be more concrete what your goal is, there are a few ways to solve
> your problem but with a few more information we can give you a good
> solution.

Say I want to print some stickers or paper strips of non-fixed size,
and get crop marks around them to know where to cut.

With \setuppapersize and \setuparranging I can do this nicely if I
know the size in advance, but in some cases I don't.

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Re: startTEXpage on A4

[Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context]

Leah Neukirchen schrieb am 09.10.2022 um 15:52:
> Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:
>
>> Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context schrieb am 09.10.2022 um 15:19:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> is there a way to have something like
>>>
>>> \setuppapersize[A5][A4]
>>>
>>> but have the "inner paper size" be a computed fit like in
>>> \startTEXpage?
>>>
>>> Or, alternatively, is there is a way to print crop marks around
>>> an environment like \startTEXpage?
>> Can you be more concrete what your goal is, there are a few ways to solve
>> your problem but with a few more information we can give you a good
>> solution.
> Say I want to print some stickers or paper strips of non-fixed size,
> and get crop marks around them to know where to cut.
>
> With \setuppapersize and \setuparranging I can do this nicely if I
> know the size in advance, but in some cases I don't.

You can use \framed to create a box which takes the size of its content. 
The borders
of the framed box can be used to cut the stickers and with the 
frameoffset key
(or offset if your prefer) you can increase the distance between the borders
and the content.

\setuplayout[page]

\starttext

\centerbox
    {\startframed[width=10cm,align=normal,frameoffset=1cm]
         \input ward
     \stopframed}

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: startTEXpage on A4

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 10/9/2022 3:52 PM, Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context wrote:
> Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:
> 
>> Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context schrieb am 09.10.2022 um 15:19:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> is there a way to have something like
>>>
>>> \setuppapersize[A5][A4]
>>>
>>> but have the "inner paper size" be a computed fit like in
>>> \startTEXpage?
>>>
>>> Or, alternatively, is there is a way to print crop marks around
>>> an environment like \startTEXpage?
>>
>> Can you be more concrete what your goal is, there are a few ways to solve
>> your problem but with a few more information we can give you a good
>> solution.
> 
> Say I want to print some stickers or paper strips of non-fixed size,
> and get crop marks around them to know where to cut.
> 
> With \setuppapersize and \setuparranging I can do this nicely if I
> know the size in advance, but in some cases I don't.
\unprotect % fix needed

\def\page_boxes_apply_offset % #box
   {\unless\ifdim\topoffset=\zeropoint
      \expandafter\page_boxes_apply_offset_indeed
    \orunless\ifdim\backoffset=\zeropoint
      \expandafter\page_boxes_apply_offset_indeed
    \else
      \expandafter\gobbleoneargument
    \fi}

\protect

\definepapersize
   [label]
   [width=6cm,
    height=25mm]

\setuppapersize
   [label] [A4]

\setuplayout
   [page]

\setuppaper
   [nx=3,
    ny=10,
    dx=1mm,
    dy=1mm]

\setuplayout
   [horoffset=50mm,
    veroffset=10mm]

\setuparranging
   [XY]

\setupbackgrounds
   [page]
   [frame=on]

\starttext
     \dorecurse{56}
       {\startpagemakeup
          \midaligned{test #1}
        \stoppagemakeup}
\stoptext


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Re: startTEXpage on A4

[Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context]

Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:

> On 10/9/2022 3:52 PM, Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context wrote:
>> Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:
>> 
>>> Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context schrieb am 09.10.2022 um 15:19:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> is there a way to have something like
>>>>
>>>> \setuppapersize[A5][A4]
>>>>
>>>> but have the "inner paper size" be a computed fit like in
>>>> \startTEXpage?
>>>>
>>>> Or, alternatively, is there is a way to print crop marks around
>>>> an environment like \startTEXpage?
>>>
>>> Can you be more concrete what your goal is, there are a few ways to solve
>>> your problem but with a few more information we can give you a good
>>> solution.
>> Say I want to print some stickers or paper strips of non-fixed size,
>> and get crop marks around them to know where to cut.
>> With \setuppapersize and \setuparranging I can do this nicely if I
>> know the size in advance, but in some cases I don't.
>
> \definepapersize
>   [label]
>   [width=6cm,
>    height=25mm]

But that requires knowing the size in advance.  Think of the labels in
a museum that depend how long the description is. ;)

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Re: startTEXpage on A4

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 09.10.22 um 20:49 schrieb Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context:

> But that requires knowing the size in advance.  Think of the labels in
> a museum that depend how long the description is. ;)

Well, on the labels in the church museum (https://staurothek.de) in 
Limburg/Lahn, the text just stops if it’s too long ;P
(No, really, whoever was in charge of the labels there did a crap job. 
On a big sign there are even correction remarks left.)

Hraban

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Re: startTEXpage on A4

[Willi Egger via ntg-context]

I would suggest the approach of Wolfgang because the standard setting of \framed(texts)’ width is fit and the height setting can be changed to this too. Further I would suggest to use an overlay and a Metafun graphic for the cut-indicators.


\defineoverlay[Cutpointstight][\useMPgraphic{Cutpointstight}]

\startuniqueMPgraphic{Cutpointstight}
		path p;
		p := unitsquare xscaled OverlayWidth yscaled OverlayHeight;
		draw ulcorner p;
		draw urcorner p;
		draw llcorner p;
		draw lrcorner p;
\stopuniqueMPgraphic

\framedtext
	[height=fit,
         align={lohi,center},
	 background=Cutpointstight,
         foregroundcolor=black,
         frame=off,
	 offset=3pt]
	{{\tfa HALITGARII EPISCOPI
	 \blank[small]
	 De vitiis et virtutibus
	 \blank[small]
	 Ordinum Poenitentium}
	\blank[small]
	Libri V.}

I hope this solves your issue

Willi
> On 9 Oct 2022, at 20:49, Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:
> 
>> On 10/9/2022 3:52 PM, Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context wrote:
>>> Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:
>>> 
>>>> Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context schrieb am 09.10.2022 um 15:19:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> is there a way to have something like
>>>>> 
>>>>> \setuppapersize[A5][A4]
>>>>> 
>>>>> but have the "inner paper size" be a computed fit like in
>>>>> \startTEXpage?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or, alternatively, is there is a way to print crop marks around
>>>>> an environment like \startTEXpage?
>>>> 
>>>> Can you be more concrete what your goal is, there are a few ways to solve
>>>> your problem but with a few more information we can give you a good
>>>> solution.
>>> Say I want to print some stickers or paper strips of non-fixed size,
>>> and get crop marks around them to know where to cut.
>>> With \setuppapersize and \setuparranging I can do this nicely if I
>>> know the size in advance, but in some cases I don't.
>> 
>> \definepapersize
>>  [label]
>>  [width=6cm,
>>   height=25mm]
> 
> But that requires knowing the size in advance.  Think of the labels in
> a museum that depend how long the description is. ;)
> 
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