* [pups] pdp11/05 questions. @ 2008-07-07 21:35 Milo Velimirovic 2008-07-08 3:27 ` John Holden 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Milo Velimirovic @ 2008-07-07 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1180 bytes --] hi all, The recent flurry of activity in early pre-C UNIX for an 11 with a small memory got me back to working on my 11/05. So far I've identified two nasty problems with the data paths board, the M7260. One of the 8266 MUX chips looks like the plastic boiled and bubbled and circuit board is discolored underneath it. I'd welcome both sources for replacement chips and techniques for replacing it. Additionally there's a lifted and broken trace on the non-component side of the module near the F edge connector. Any sugestions for repairing a damaged trace would be welcome. Lastly, I'd just as soon use a DL11W in the 11/05 rather than go to the trouble of setting up an external clock to feed the on board UART. I can get both 9600 baud and RS232 from the DL11W instead of 2400 baud current loop from the built-in interface. I haven't yet found the jumpers to remove/install that would disable the built-in console interface. There's also the LTC. TIA, Milo -- Milo Velimirović, Unix Computer Network Administrator University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 48 N 91 13 53 W -- Unix: Where /etc/init is job #1. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* [pups] pdp11/05 questions. 2008-07-07 21:35 [pups] pdp11/05 questions Milo Velimirovic @ 2008-07-08 3:27 ` John Holden 2008-07-08 13:13 ` Milo Velimirovic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: John Holden @ 2008-07-08 3:27 UTC (permalink / raw) On 08/07/2008, at 7:35 AM, Milo Velimirovic wrote: > hi all, > > The recent flurry of activity in early pre-C UNIX for an 11 with a > small memory got me back to working on my 11/05. So far I've > identified two nasty problems with the data paths board, the M7260. > One of the 8266 MUX chips looks like the plastic boiled and bubbled > and circuit board is discolored underneath it. I'd welcome both > sources for replacement chips and techniques for replacing it. > Tricky. The 8266 is rather odd in that it inverts one of the inputs and I know of no direct replacement. I'll check if I have a spare M7260 card. As for replacing chips, particularly on old cards. The only safe way is to:- 1) with a fine pair of cutters, cut every leg of the chip and remove the body 2) with needle nose pliers, grab each leg in turn, heat on the other side with a soldering iron and pull out the leg (use a light force and make sure the solder is molten on the top side, particularly if it has a track) 3) with a solder sucker (or desoldering station), remove the solder from the holes > Additionally there's a lifted and broken trace on the non-component > side of the module near the F edge connector. Any sugestions for > repairing a damaged trace would be welcome. > If the chip was toasted, then this track probably took all the current. You can either glue it down and bridge the break with solder, or cut the track where it's good, scrape off the PCB lacquer, then carefully solder in some wire. If it is a short run, use some stiff tinned copper, then hot glue in place. > Lastly, I'd just as soon use a DL11W in the 11/05 rather than go to > the trouble of setting up an external clock to feed the on board UART. > I can get both 9600 baud and RS232 from the DL11W instead of 2400 baud > current loop from the built-in interface. I haven't yet found the > jumpers to remove/install that would disable the built-in console > interface. There's also the LTC. You can disable the serial interface by removing W1 from the control logic / microcode board M7261. It is not possible to disable the LTC, simply don't enable it on the DL11W. I have, in the distant past, modified a M7260 for 9600 baud RS232, but it involves removing removing several components and modifying the 9602 oscillator timing. Using a DL11 is a better choice. John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* [pups] pdp11/05 questions. 2008-07-08 3:27 ` John Holden @ 2008-07-08 13:13 ` Milo Velimirovic 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Milo Velimirovic @ 2008-07-08 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3823 bytes --] On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:27 PM, John Holden wrote: > On 08/07/2008, at 7:35 AM, Milo Velimirovic wrote: > >> hi all, >> >> The recent flurry of activity in early pre-C UNIX for an 11 with a >> small memory got me back to working on my 11/05. So far I've >> identified two nasty problems with the data paths board, the M7260. >> One of the 8266 MUX chips looks like the plastic boiled and bubbled >> and circuit board is discolored underneath it. I'd welcome both >> sources for replacement chips and techniques for replacing it. >> > > Tricky. The 8266 is rather odd in that it inverts one of the inputs > and I know of no direct replacement. I'll check if I have a spare > M7260 card. I noticed that oddity while staring at the printset. One thought (and a really ugly one at that) was to build a two chip replacement. Of course the pinouts of an inverter and a "normal" quad mux not being anything at all like the 8266 would really complicate matters. A last resort.... Also would the two chip sol'n change the timing through the AMUX - is it in a critical path? > > > As for replacing chips, particularly on old cards. The only safe way > is to:- > > 1) with a fine pair of cutters, cut every leg of the chip and remove > the body > 2) with needle nose pliers, grab each leg in turn, heat on the other > side > with a soldering iron and pull out the leg (use a light force and > make sure > the solder is molten on the top side, particularly if it has a track) > 3) with a solder sucker (or desoldering station), remove the solder > from the holes No surprises here. It's just painstaking, delicate work that I have little experience with. > > > >> Additionally there's a lifted and broken trace on the non-component >> side of the module near the F edge connector. Any sugestions for >> repairing a damaged trace would be welcome. >> > > If the chip was toasted, then this track probably took all the > current. You can That makes sense but it's a trace to the F connector (FK2 I think) and the 8266 is at position E10? above the A connector... > > either glue it down and bridge the break with solder, or cut the > track where it's > good, scrape off the PCB lacquer, then carefully solder in some > wire. If it is > a short run, use some stiff tinned copper, then hot glue in place. Again no surprises. The broken trace is in an area densely packed with runs as all the signals from the component side feed through the module and are interleaved with the lines from the solder side, all feeding into an area filled with resistors and diodes. > > >> Lastly, I'd just as soon use a DL11W in the 11/05 rather than go to >> the trouble of setting up an external clock to feed the on board >> UART. >> I can get both 9600 baud and RS232 from the DL11W instead of 2400 >> baud >> current loop from the built-in interface. I haven't yet found the >> jumpers to remove/install that would disable the built-in console >> interface. There's also the LTC. > > You can disable the serial interface by removing W1 from the control > logic / > microcode board M7261. I found the alleged location of W1 on the M7261 - it's not obvious what's a jumper and what's necessary copper. back to the print set before wielding and Xacto. > It is not possible to disable the LTC, simply don't > enable it on the DL11W. Easy enough to disable the LTC on a DL11W. > I have, in the distant past, modified a M7260 for > 9600 baud RS232, but it involves removing removing several > components and > modifying the 9602 oscillator timing. Using a DL11 is a better choice. I'd much prefer the DL11 choice to more board mods. - Milo -- Milo Velimirović, Unix Computer Network Administrator University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 48 N 91 13 53 W ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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