[TUHS] Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software

[TUHS] Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software

[Wesley Parish]

I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix being discussed, if there are
any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or
other? (Preferably free to good archive?)

IIRC it was a major driver of graphics capabilities in Unix
workstations around that time.

Wesley Parish

[TUHS] Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software: CADroid

[Don Hopkins]

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I have an old copy of CADroid for the Sun-3 from 1987 sitting around, which runs on SunView. (It’s the original version before I worked with Mitch Bradley integrating it with CForth to replace its old icky extension language. Unfortunately I didn’t keep a copy of the source code and our CForth mods.) 

http://www.donhopkins.com/home/cadroid.tgz <http://www.donhopkins.com/home/cadroid.tgz>

Sun licensed it from Lucasfilm, and used it to design various circuit board. That tar file includes a 4 meg board schematic (but not the rest of Sun’s schematics library, alas ;). 

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/net.lsi/I8aoKvm78-o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/net.lsi/I8aoKvm78-o>

https://books.google.nl/books?id=aDCH6OPGmh8C&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=%22cadroid%22+lucas+schematic&source=bl&ots=oa78HI0TWr&sig=l-o1d91YP70bZWH57yLaHluR3jw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2t-jXkILXAhWEORoKHXAyDXUQ6AEIOzAG#v=onepage&q=%22cadroid%22%20lucas%20schematic&f=false <https://books.google.nl/books?id=aDCH6OPGmh8C&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=%22cadroid%22+lucas+schematic&source=bl&ots=oa78HI0TWr&sig=l-o1d91YP70bZWH57yLaHluR3jw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2t-jXkILXAhWEORoKHXAyDXUQ6AEIOzAG#v=onepage&q="cadroid" lucas schematic&f=false>

https://www.computer.org/csdl/mags/cg/1984/05/04055788.pdf <https://www.computer.org/csdl/mags/cg/1984/05/04055788.pdf>

-Don


> On 21 Oct 2017, at 11:11, Wesley Parish <wobblygong at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix being discussed, if there are
> any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or
> other? (Preferably free to good archive?)
> 
> IIRC it was a major driver of graphics capabilities in Unix
> workstations around that time.
> 
> Wesley Parish

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[TUHS] Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software: CADroid

[Clem cole]

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Warren has the Unix circuit Design system UCSD  from research that Ken used for Belle in Unix/Ts aka V7 and v8.  Rob and Bart L updated/replaced with something else for the bilt on plan 9 which was after me but the core was based on UCSD.  Dan Cross might know more from plan 9 days and I can ask Presotto and Bart

Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite. 

> On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Don Hopkins <don at DonHopkins.com> wrote:
> 
> I have an old copy of CADroid for the Sun-3 from 1987 sitting around, which runs on SunView. (It’s the original version before I worked with Mitch Bradley integrating it with CForth to replace its old icky extension language. Unfortunately I didn’t keep a copy of the source code and our CForth mods.) 
> 
> http://www.donhopkins.com/home/cadroid.tgz
> 
> Sun licensed it from Lucasfilm, and used it to design various circuit board. That tar file includes a 4 meg board schematic (but not the rest of Sun’s schematics library, alas ;). 
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/net.lsi/I8aoKvm78-o
> 
> https://books.google.nl/books?id=aDCH6OPGmh8C&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=%22cadroid%22+lucas+schematic&source=bl&ots=oa78HI0TWr&sig=l-o1d91YP70bZWH57yLaHluR3jw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2t-jXkILXAhWEORoKHXAyDXUQ6AEIOzAG#v=onepage&q=%22cadroid%22%20lucas%20schematic&f=false
> 
> https://www.computer.org/csdl/mags/cg/1984/05/04055788.pdf
> 
> -Don
> 
> 
>> On 21 Oct 2017, at 11:11, Wesley Parish <wobblygong at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix being discussed, if there are
>> any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or
>> other? (Preferably free to good archive?)
>> 
>> IIRC it was a major driver of graphics capabilities in Unix
>> workstations around that time.
>> 
>> Wesley Parish
> 
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[TUHS] Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software

[Dave Horsfall]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:

> I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix being discussed, if there are 
> any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or 
> other? (Preferably free to good archive?)

Dunno if it counts, but Eagle is still available, hence may not qualify; 
it kicked off around the late 80s.

-- 
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer."

[TUHS] Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software

[Wesley Parish]

Might be worth asking them if they have any objection to having their
80s and 90s releases preserved in the likes of TUHS. It would've been
built on a BSD-based Unix, I take it?

On 10/22/17, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix being discussed, if there are
>> any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or
>> other? (Preferably free to good archive?)
>
> Dunno if it counts, but Eagle is still available, hence may not qualify;
> it kicked off around the late 80s.
>
> --
> Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will
> suffer."
>

[TUHS] Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software

[Clem Cole]

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On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Wesley Parish <wobblygong at gmail.com> wrote:

> Might be worth asking them if they have any objection to having their
> 80s and 90s releases preserved in the likes of TUHS. It would've been
> built on a BSD-based Unix, I take it?
>
> On 10/22/17, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:
> >
> >> I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix being discussed, if there are
> >> any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or
> >> other? (Preferably free to good archive?)
> >
> > Dunno if it counts, but Eagle is still available, hence may not qualify;
> > it kicked off around the late 80s.
> >
> > --
> > Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will
> > suffer."
> >
>

​They are now owned by autocad, I'd not put out a lot of hope.​
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[TUHS] Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software

[Dave Horsfall]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:

[ Eagle CAD ]

> Might be worth asking them if they have any objection to having their 
> 80s and 90s releases preserved in the likes of TUHS. It would've been 
> built on a BSD-based Unix, I take it?

Our clients used it on old Suns (Sun-2, as I recall), so yeah, BSD (before 
they got infected with SysVile).

-- 
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer."

[TUHS] Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software

[George Michaelson]

possibly the last s/w package I saw which had the regents official
stamp logo in the corner, was the BSD tape of magic/spice. I found it
sort-of pleasing that a s/w suite designed to help make chips, was
being distributed with the same licence (US legal paper, that font..)
as the one used to ship the software used to design and make the
software used to design and make the hardware used to ...

Oh NO! Pooh, thats not honey, thats RECURSION!!!!


On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:
>
> [ Eagle CAD ]
>
>> Might be worth asking them if they have any objection to having their 80s
>> and 90s releases preserved in the likes of TUHS. It would've been built on a
>> BSD-based Unix, I take it?
>
>
> Our clients used it on old Suns (Sun-2, as I recall), so yeah, BSD (before
> they got infected with SysVile).
>
>
> --
> Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will
> suffer."

[TUHS] Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software: CADroid

[Dan Cross]

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Clem cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
> Warren has the Unix circuit Design system UCSD  from research that Ken used
> for Belle in Unix/Ts aka V7 and v8.  Rob and Bart L updated/replaced with
> something else for the bilt on plan 9 which was after me but the core was
> based on UCSD.  Dan Cross might know more from plan 9 days and I can ask
> Presotto and Bart

While I'm flattered, Clem gives me far too much credit. :-) I'm afraid
I've got no knowledge on the CAD story vis Plan 9. Bart or Dave would
know much more on that, I think.

        - Dan C.

[TUHS] Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software

[Clem cole]

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Actually it was the other way around. The BSD releases were based on earlier work by the ILO (Industrial Laison Office) of EE.  Remember the release of SPICE, SPLICE, MOTIS et al from the EE side predate any BSD release from CS.  Releasing code via ILO was started in the 60 by the real father of the ‘open source’ movement - the late Prof Don Pederson  aka dop by this students.  


As dop used to say we always give away our SW because we get to go in the backdoor and really know what the industrial engineers are doing.  If I sell it (like my other alma mater - CMU liked to do) then I have to go in the front door like any other salesman. 

Anyway when CS put together the original BSD (for 6th edition) the ILO was already there and had the mechanics to license and release things.  CS was part of EE and was able to just use the ILO which they did until CSRG was created a few years after 4.1BSD was released. 

Clem

Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite. 

> On Oct 23, 2017, at 12:33 AM, George Michaelson <ggm at algebras.org> wrote:
> 
> possibly the last s/w package I saw which had the regents official
> stamp logo in the corner, was the BSD tape of magic/spice. I found it
> sort-of pleasing that a s/w suite designed to help make chips, was
> being distributed with the same licence (US legal paper, that font..)
> as the one used to ship the software used to design and make the
> software used to design and make the hardware used to ...
> 
> Oh NO! Pooh, thats not honey, thats RECURSION!!!!
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:
>> 
>> [ Eagle CAD ]
>> 
>>> Might be worth asking them if they have any objection to having their 80s
>>> and 90s releases preserved in the likes of TUHS. It would've been built on a
>>> BSD-based Unix, I take it?
>> 
>> 
>> Our clients used it on old Suns (Sun-2, as I recall), so yeah, BSD (before
>> they got infected with SysVile).
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will
>> suffer."