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From: scj@yaccman.com (Steve Johnson)
Subject: [TUHS] Non-US Unix Activities
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 15:08:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1e89d5607378028b7e5c493f8389e51327587033@webmail.yaccman.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAFR5pbo0qbEpymF=oZj-ccXxK6gc8X1R73EKuWUFqb-+n86cw@mail.gmail.com>

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At AT&T, the evolution from B to C was quite smooth, as was the
evolution of C itself.   Most B programs were converted to "nb" (the
first C incarnation) by hacking on the character strings and putting
in some types where needed.   It wasn't a big deal.  So I'd be
surprised if there were substantial B programs that survived.

One lesson learned that I've never forgotten is how smooth it is to
evolve a language using the following process:

	* Announce that the change is coming and explain why
	* Change the compiler to accept both the old and new syntax
	* Produce a simple warning message when the old syntax was used, but
make it still work
	* Produce a more complicated, verbose message, but still make it work
	* Produce a message that says "After date xxxx, the old stuff won't
work any more"
	* On the date, change the warning to fatal, but keep recognizing the
old syntax and emit "Error: You used the old xxx, change to the new
one"
	* Eventually, stop recognizing the old syntax and remove the message.

	Dennis was a master at this strategy, so things like the otherwise
painful evolution of changing =+ to += went well.
Steve

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Swierczek" <rmswierczek@gmail.com>
To:"Toby Thain" <toby at telegraphics.com.au>
Cc:<tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org>
Sent:Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:51:03 -0400
Subject:Re: [TUHS] Non-US Unix Activities

 >
 > Yes, there's always SOME way to avoid it, but obviously
significantly more
 > work. Just depends what the priorities are... Preserving fanfold
seems like
 > a strange priority, wouldn't it be more practical bound book-like
anyway?
 >
 > Or, similar to your suggestion, load it into a compatible printer
(so that
 > it can be sprocket fed), with some kind of takeup spool, then form
feed
 > pages through, snapping each one between feeds.
 >

 Fully agree! If there is anything I can do to help get that online
 (in whatever form) let me know.

 Are there any other surviving examples of B code from that era in
this
 ballpark of complexity?

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Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-05 22:22 [TUHS] A decision Warren Toomey
2017-04-06 20:08 ` Josh Good
2017-04-06 20:32   ` Kurt H Maier
2017-04-06 21:23     ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2017-04-06 21:46       ` Josh Good
2017-04-07 11:56         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-04-07 12:20           ` William Corcoran
2017-04-07 14:05             ` Andru Luvisi
2017-04-07 15:09             ` Kurt H Maier
2017-04-07 15:23               ` Larry McVoy
2017-04-07 15:25                 ` ron minnich
2017-04-07 20:25                   ` Josh Good
2017-04-09  5:57                     ` Michaelian Ennis
2017-04-06 23:09   ` [TUHS] Non-US Unix Activities Warren Toomey
2017-04-07  5:15     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-04-07 19:56       ` Dave Horsfall
2017-04-07  8:44     ` Alec Muffett
2017-04-07  9:32       ` Robert Swierczek
2017-04-07 10:24         ` Alec Muffett
2017-04-07 11:35           ` jsteve
2017-04-07 16:09           ` Alec Muffett
2017-04-09  6:34             ` Random832
2017-04-09 11:03               ` Alec Muffett
2017-04-09 16:57                 ` Toby Thain
2017-04-09 19:20                   ` Random832
2017-04-10 13:06                   ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-04-09 22:45                 ` Steve Johnson
2017-04-10  5:40                   ` Robert Swierczek
2017-04-10 13:10                     ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-04-07 17:57           ` Robert Swierczek
2017-04-07 18:24             ` Toby Thain
2017-04-07 20:23               ` Robert Swierczek
2017-04-07 20:53                 ` Toby Thain
2017-04-07 21:51                   ` Robert Swierczek
2017-04-07 22:08                     ` Steve Johnson [this message]
2017-04-07 22:36                       ` Larry McVoy
2017-04-07 22:01                   ` Alec Muffett
2017-04-08 17:28                   ` Lawrence Stewart
2017-04-07 10:40         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-04-07 12:09     ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-04-07 12:25       ` jsteve
2017-04-07 13:55         ` tfb
2017-04-07 14:36           ` George Ross
     [not found] <mailman.729.1491557525.3779.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2017-04-07 14:29 ` Arrigo Triulzi
2017-04-07 23:31 Richard Tobin
2017-04-08 10:57 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-04-08 11:13   ` Jason Stevens
2017-04-08  9:46 Berny Goodheart
2017-04-08 10:28 ` Jason Stevens
2017-04-08 14:31 Doug McIlroy

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