[TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux

[TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux

[zmkm zmkm]

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Michael

I don�t agree with you on this , your complain about linux is unfair , on 
the contrary to many unixers especially the new generation of hackers and 
new unix users even those users fed up with Microsoft gimmicks , linux was 
miracle touch that helped to re energize the otherwise stale unix market , 
simply look at the market today which operating system has grown beyond any 
expectations ? . Another thing , in the days of corporate greed and bullying 
a-la-microsoft way, linux played a significant role to cement the open 
source movement.

Good old dear BSD , where is it ?? still fighting a niche turf , why it 
didn�t burst in the open ? , it�s troubles doesn�t have anything to do with 
linux it�s been there way before linux surfaced. I will not go into this 
flame war which is better BSD or Linux because both are dear to me and each 
has its own strong points and weaknesses .

Finally , this whole nonsense from SCO wouldn't be there if SCO had any good 
products to offer or enjoying good revenue , so this law suite shows how 
desperate SCO is sinking in the red and using this law suite to float itself 
again .


Love it or hate it linux is here to stay J .

_______________
preparing for eventual flame war ,

automatic sprinkler = check
fire extinguishers = check
fire fighting water hose  = check
fire proof suite and helmet = check

all systems go .

zmkm




>From: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov)
>To: tuhs at tuhs.org
>Subject: [TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux
>Date: Tue, 10 Jun 03 14:01:08 PDT
>
>Here is my response to SCO vs. Linux. The thing is, some of the things they 
>are
>saying I agree with most emphatically, except that what those things really
>support is not SCO but our TUHS cause. Their main line, at least as I 
>interpret
>it, is that UNIX is the real OS, UNIX is better than Linux, and Linux is 
>just a
>naughty child that is becoming more and more of a nuisance to the adults. I
>agree wholeheartedly! I and many other UNIX bigots have been more vocal 
>about
>this than SCO.
>
>BUT... UNIX is not what SCO means by this term, UNIX is V7 -> 4BSD! That is 
>the
>real UNIX, USG is just a bad commercialized branch that no one ever really
>liked anyway! So to all those Fortune 1000 (or whatever that was) companies
>warned by SCO to stop running Linux, they should throw out those cheap 
>micros,
>put all their old large VAXen back online, and run True UNIX, 4.3 BSD UNIX! 
>And
>that *is* real UNIX, it comes directly from V7 and openly and proudly 
>admits to
>this fact! Isn't an OS that openly and proudly admits to come directly from
>Holy UNIX better than a cheap UNIX copycat that needs to be sued in court 
>to
>determine what the hell it really is?
>
>But SCO probably won't be too happy about it as they just gave away the 
>True
>UNIX (V7) to the World for free, and it's non-retractable.
>
>So if anything good comes out of this lawsuit it's that maybe, just maybe, 
>BSD
>will finally get some attention and use over Linux. The Free Computing
>community doesn't have to suffer any loss whatsoever if SCO wins, we can
>instead just switch from Linux to the much better True UNIX, which is just 
>as
>free but a lot more solid, mature, and True. And stick it to SCO and laugh
>diabolically at how they voluntarily made UNIX free without us having to 
>seize
>it by force in a revolution.
>
>MS (donning the flameproof spacesuit)
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[TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux

[Andy Newman]

zmkm zmkm wrote:

> Good old dear BSD , where is it ??

Well some of it, via CMU and many, many other paths, is a
significant component of "the other" mass market, end-user
OS. And if you believe Apple's marketing they ship more Unix
(woops, OpenGroup says they're not allowed to say that)
systems than anyone else.

[TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Thursday, 12 June 2003 at 11:31:52 +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
>
> Good old dear BSD , where is it ?? still fighting a niche turf , why
> it didn?t burst in the open ?

Glad you asked.  It was the victim of a law suit ten years ago.  Don't
underestimate what the current legal challenges can do to Linux.

Greg
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[TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux

[Peter Jeremy]

On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 09:55:17PM -0700, Carl Lowenstein wrote:
>> From: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog at lemis.com>
>> On Thursday, 12 June 2003 at 11:31:52 +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
>> > Good old dear BSD , where is it ?? still fighting a niche turf , why
>> > it didn?t burst in the open ?
>> 
>> Glad you asked.  It was the victim of a law suit ten years ago.  Don't
>> underestimate what the current legal challenges can do to Linux.
>In case you are referring to the BSD vs. AT&T suit, BSD won.

But BSD basically stagnated during the suit - which took 2-3 years.
No-one wanted to have anything to do with BSD whilst the suit was
on and it took a while to recover.  Linux was unaffected and basically
gained 3-4 years headstart.

What Greg is suggesting is that if something equivalent comes along
for Linux (and I don't believe the SCO case is it), it will put a
really serious dent in its growth.  Even if Linux won, the after-effect
will last for years.

Peter

[TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux

[Carl Lowenstein]

> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:46:27 +0930
> From: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog at lemis.com>
> To: zmkm zmkm <new_zmkm at hotmail.com>
> Content-Disposition: inline
> 
> On Thursday, 12 June 2003 at 11:31:52 +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> >
> > Good old dear BSD , where is it ?? still fighting a niche turf , why
> > it didn?t burst in the open ?
> 
> Glad you asked.  It was the victim of a law suit ten years ago.  Don't
> underestimate what the current legal challenges can do to Linux.
> 
> Greg

In case you are referring to the BSD vs. AT&T suit, BSD won.

    carl

[TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux

[Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai]

-On [20030611 03:39], Michael Sokolov (msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG) wrote:
>So if anything good comes out of this lawsuit it's that maybe, just maybe, BSD
>will finally get some attention and use over Linux. The Free Computing
>community doesn't have to suffer any loss whatsoever if SCO wins, we can
>instead just switch from Linux to the much better True UNIX, which is just as
>free but a lot more solid, mature, and True. And stick it to SCO and laugh
>diabolically at how they voluntarily made UNIX free without us having to seize
>it by force in a revolution.

That's what I have been wondering about as well, it feels like the AT&T
versus the Regents of the University of Berkeley all over again.

But I'll stick to Free/Net/OpenBSD on slightly less archaic machines
though. ;)

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[TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux

[Michael Sokolov]

Here is my response to SCO vs. Linux. The thing is, some of the things they are
saying I agree with most emphatically, except that what those things really
support is not SCO but our TUHS cause. Their main line, at least as I interpret
it, is that UNIX is the real OS, UNIX is better than Linux, and Linux is just a
naughty child that is becoming more and more of a nuisance to the adults. I
agree wholeheartedly! I and many other UNIX bigots have been more vocal about
this than SCO.

BUT... UNIX is not what SCO means by this term, UNIX is V7 -> 4BSD! That is the
real UNIX, USG is just a bad commercialized branch that no one ever really
liked anyway! So to all those Fortune 1000 (or whatever that was) companies
warned by SCO to stop running Linux, they should throw out those cheap micros,
put all their old large VAXen back online, and run True UNIX, 4.3 BSD UNIX! And
that *is* real UNIX, it comes directly from V7 and openly and proudly admits to
this fact! Isn't an OS that openly and proudly admits to come directly from
Holy UNIX better than a cheap UNIX copycat that needs to be sued in court to
determine what the hell it really is?

But SCO probably won't be too happy about it as they just gave away the True
UNIX (V7) to the World for free, and it's non-retractable.

So if anything good comes out of this lawsuit it's that maybe, just maybe, BSD
will finally get some attention and use over Linux. The Free Computing
community doesn't have to suffer any loss whatsoever if SCO wins, we can
instead just switch from Linux to the much better True UNIX, which is just as
free but a lot more solid, mature, and True. And stick it to SCO and laugh
diabolically at how they voluntarily made UNIX free without us having to seize
it by force in a revolution.

MS (donning the flameproof spacesuit)