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From: wb@freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte)
Subject: [TUHS] Irwin 285
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:55:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100122165530.GA39771@freebie.xs4all.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100122153825.GA22757@bitmover.com>

Quoting Larry McVoy, who wrote on Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:38:25AM -0800 ..
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:15:57AM +0100, Jochen Kunz wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:34:09 +0100
> > Wilko Bulte <wb at freebie.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > 
> > > recoverable read error rate I presume.
> > No. NON-recoverable read error rate: 1 per 10^14 bits.
> > 
> > And this is for light desktop use. Heavy IO on the disk may increase
> > failure rate. At least this is written in the technical data sheet of
> > the drive. WD drives are not that much better: 1 per 10^15 bits.
> 
> You guys are funny.  I've been doing backups for at least 15 years

We aim to please :)

> and I can tell you story after story about tape failures that
> happened to me personally (anyone remember the lovely exabyte 8200,
> "fondly" remembered as the write-only device?).  On the other hand,

I had an 8200.... :-P

> disks work pretty well and when they fail, they fail in little 
> chunks and you can almost always get the rest of the data.

Most often yes, unless you have production batch issues, like HDA
contamination etc.  Can take out RAIDsets at a time, given that they
typically are built from the same production batch drives..

> For the data I really care about, our digital photo collection, it's
> all stored in BitKeeper's so-called binary asset management (BAM).
> All the data is CRC-ed, it's all replicated, and if anything goes

Replication does it, I agree!

> bad the bad data can easily be replaced from any of the other
> (populated) replicas.  I periodically run "bk bam check" which 
> goes through all the data and checks the crc's and have yet to
> see an error.  Been doing that for years.
> 
> Tape.  Bah.  You can keep it, I'm OK with disk.

Hihi..
	Wilko

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-01-22 16:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-21 10:26 Sergey Lapin
2010-01-21 10:51 ` Brantley Coile
2010-01-21 11:19 ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 11:32   ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 12:07     ` Sergey Lapin
2010-01-21 12:37       ` Jason Stevens
2010-01-21 13:02         ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 16:50           ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 17:11       ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 17:37         ` M. Warner Losh
2010-01-21 17:41         ` Sergey Lapin
2010-01-21 19:00           ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 19:10             ` Al Kossow
2010-01-21 19:36               ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 19:41               ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 19:45             ` John Cowan
2010-01-21 18:59         ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 19:48           ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 19:56             ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 19:58               ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-21 20:00                 ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 20:11                   ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-21 20:26                     ` Jason Stevens
2010-01-21 20:41                       ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 20:44                         ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-21 21:00                           ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 21:01                             ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-21 21:36                               ` lyricalnanoha
2010-01-21 22:15                                 ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-21 22:22                                   ` M. Warner Losh
2010-01-22  9:14                           ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-22  9:34                             ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-22 10:15                               ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-22 10:46                                 ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-22 11:06                                   ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-22 11:12                                     ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-22 15:38                                 ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-22 16:52                                   ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-22 16:55                                   ` Wilko Bulte [this message]
2010-01-21 20:46                         ` Jason Stevens
2010-01-21 22:15                         ` Aaron J. Grier
2010-01-21 22:57                           ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 20:36                     ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 20:44                       ` Corey Lindsly
2010-01-21 21:45                         ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-22  0:36                         ` [TUHS] Backup software (was: Irwin 285) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2010-01-22  0:48                           ` Jason Stevens
2010-01-28 20:27                           ` Brad Spencer
2010-02-12 17:03                             ` Tim Bradshaw
2010-02-15  1:19                             ` [TUHS] dump(8) compatibility (was: Backup software (was: Irwin 285)) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2010-02-15  1:24                               ` Jason Stevens
2010-02-15  1:30                               ` [TUHS] dump(8) compatibility M. Warner Losh
2010-02-15  2:27                                 ` Larry McVoy
2010-02-15  5:05                                   ` Warner Losh
2010-02-15  5:18                                     ` Jason Stevens
2010-01-21 20:33                   ` [TUHS] Irwin 285 Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 20:44                     ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 20:47                       ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-22  9:23                       ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-22  9:32                         ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-22  0:38                 ` [TUHS] Tape backups? (was: Irwin 285) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2010-01-21 20:18               ` [TUHS] Irwin 285 Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 12:05 ` Andrzej Popielewicz
2010-01-21 12:12   ` Sergey Lapin

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