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From: wb@freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte)
Subject: [TUHS] Irwin 285
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:36:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100121203655.GH25687@freebie.xs4all.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100121201125.GG9956@bitmover.com>

Quoting Larry McVoy, who wrote on Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:11:25PM -0800 ..
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 09:00:34PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > Quoting Larry McVoy, who wrote on Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:58:18AM -0800 ..
> > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 08:56:19PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > > > Quoting Jochen Kunz, who wrote on Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 08:48:29PM +0100 ..
> > > > > On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:59:17 +0100
> > > > > Wilko Bulte <wb at freebie.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > QIC is OK, but the capacity zukz..
> > > > > Depends. It is perfectly suited as backup for a vintage Unix system
> > > > > like a Sun 3 / 4 or SGI. (My SGI Personal IRIS 4D35 has a 250 MB QIC
> > > > 
> > > > Sun 3 had rather small QIC tapes, I think I had 60MB in mine?
> > > > 
> > > > > drive for OS instales and backup.) Also note that the latest QIC in
> > > > > its SLR / MLR incarnation had a capacity of 20 GB.
> > > > 
> > > > I gave up on QIC when I had a 2GB version.  Had a lot to do with the fact I
> > > > was given a DLT, I admit :)
> > > 
> > > Does anyone still use tape for personal backup?  I've long since gone to
> > > external usb drives that I shove in the gun safe (aka fire safe).
> > 
> > LTO3 here :)  But the disks are getting to be too big to fit a level 0 on a
> > single tape.  I need to go and try to understand something like Amanda
> > backup s/w I think.  Suggestions welcome.
> 
> Dude, 800GB when there are 2TB drives?  My suggestions are 
> 
> a) don't put that much shit on a single drive, you are just asking for
>    headaches.  Don't tell me you can't break it up, of course you can.

I know... I've spent years and years in storage engineering and support.
I run RAID on my drives, no worries there ;)

> b) use drives.  They are the new tape.
> 
> LTO3 800GB drive: $1200 plus $30/800GB tape.
> WD 1TB drives: $90.
> 
> Just the LT03 drive itself gives you 13 1TB drives.  Add one of those
> USB external drive drop in connectors and use the drives just like tapes
> except one hell of a lot faster, especially for restores.

Sure. I know.  Big SATA drives are cheap over here as well, like 1.5T for
110 EURO or somesuch. I just happen to own a LTO3 and enough tapes already, so the
economics are not the issue. Just need to have a proper piece of open source
backup software that runs on FreeBSD.

Wilko
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-01-21 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-21 10:26 Sergey Lapin
2010-01-21 10:51 ` Brantley Coile
2010-01-21 11:19 ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 11:32   ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 12:07     ` Sergey Lapin
2010-01-21 12:37       ` Jason Stevens
2010-01-21 13:02         ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 16:50           ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 17:11       ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 17:37         ` M. Warner Losh
2010-01-21 17:41         ` Sergey Lapin
2010-01-21 19:00           ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 19:10             ` Al Kossow
2010-01-21 19:36               ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 19:41               ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 19:45             ` John Cowan
2010-01-21 18:59         ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 19:48           ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 19:56             ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 19:58               ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-21 20:00                 ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 20:11                   ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-21 20:26                     ` Jason Stevens
2010-01-21 20:41                       ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 20:44                         ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-21 21:00                           ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 21:01                             ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-21 21:36                               ` lyricalnanoha
2010-01-21 22:15                                 ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-21 22:22                                   ` M. Warner Losh
2010-01-22  9:14                           ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-22  9:34                             ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-22 10:15                               ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-22 10:46                                 ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-22 11:06                                   ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-22 11:12                                     ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-22 15:38                                 ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-22 16:52                                   ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-22 16:55                                   ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 20:46                         ` Jason Stevens
2010-01-21 22:15                         ` Aaron J. Grier
2010-01-21 22:57                           ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 20:36                     ` Wilko Bulte [this message]
2010-01-21 20:44                       ` Corey Lindsly
2010-01-21 21:45                         ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-22  0:36                         ` [TUHS] Backup software (was: Irwin 285) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2010-01-22  0:48                           ` Jason Stevens
2010-01-28 20:27                           ` Brad Spencer
2010-02-12 17:03                             ` Tim Bradshaw
2010-02-15  1:19                             ` [TUHS] dump(8) compatibility (was: Backup software (was: Irwin 285)) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2010-02-15  1:24                               ` Jason Stevens
2010-02-15  1:30                               ` [TUHS] dump(8) compatibility M. Warner Losh
2010-02-15  2:27                                 ` Larry McVoy
2010-02-15  5:05                                   ` Warner Losh
2010-02-15  5:18                                     ` Jason Stevens
2010-01-21 20:33                   ` [TUHS] Irwin 285 Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 20:44                     ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-21 20:47                       ` Larry McVoy
2010-01-22  9:23                       ` Jochen Kunz
2010-01-22  9:32                         ` Wilko Bulte
2010-01-22  0:38                 ` [TUHS] Tape backups? (was: Irwin 285) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2010-01-21 20:18               ` [TUHS] Irwin 285 Jochen Kunz
2010-01-21 12:05 ` Andrzej Popielewicz
2010-01-21 12:12   ` Sergey Lapin

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