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From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Subject: [TUHS] PDP-11 questions
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:30:37 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160124183037.9F0C218C0A8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> (raw)

    >> It seems though that there should have been a PDP-11 based desktop

    > Because DEC were a bunch of losers.

OK, that was kind of harsh. (Trying to send email too fast...) DEC had a lot
of really brilliant people, and they produced some awesome machines.

But when it comes to desktops, I think there is a certain amount of
bottom-line truth in that assessment: there was a huge market there
(obviously), and DEC should have been in a pretty good place to capture it,
but it completely failed to do so.

Why not? I put it down to corporate cultural intertia - ironically, the same
thing that allowed DEC to eat so much of IBM's lunch.

Just as IBM took way too long to understand that there was a very large
ecological niche for smaller machines _with customers who didn't want or need
the whole IBM hand-holding routine_, DEC never (or, at least, until way too
late to catch the wave) could change their mentality from producing really,
really well built computers for people who were all technical, to commodity
computers which needed to be made as absolutely cheaply as possible, and for
people who were non-technical.

The company as a whole just couldn't change its mindset that radically, that
quickly. (And a lot of the blame for that has to go to Ken Olsen, of course.
He just didn't grok how the world was changing.)

    > There's some DEC history book which talks about DEC's multiple failures
    > (on a variety of platforms, not just PDP-11 based ones) to get into the
    > desktop market, if the title comes to me, I'll post it.

The best one on this topis, probably, is "Ultimate Entrepreneur", by Glenn
Rifkin and George Harrar, which gives a lot of detail on DEC's attempts to
build personal computers; also good is "DEC is Dead, Long Live DEC", by Edgar
Schein.

	Noel


             reply	other threads:[~2016-01-24 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-24 18:30 Noel Chiappa [this message]
2016-01-24 18:36 ` Ronald Natalie
2016-01-24 21:10   ` John Cowan
2016-01-25  0:11 ` scj
2016-01-25  0:36   ` Clem cole
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-01-26 20:07 Doug McIlroy
2016-01-26 20:44 ` Clem Cole
2016-01-26 19:36 Doug McIlroy
2016-01-26 19:59 ` Warren Toomey
     [not found] <mailman.29.1453684304.15972.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2016-01-25  3:07 ` Johnny Billquist
2016-01-25  3:09 ` Johnny Billquist
2016-01-25 12:54   ` John Cowan
2016-01-25 13:09     ` Johnny Billquist
2016-01-25 13:49     ` Johnny Billquist
2016-01-25 16:00       ` John Cowan
2016-01-25 16:17         ` Johnny Billquist
2016-01-25 16:43           ` John Cowan
2016-01-25  1:11 Noel Chiappa
2016-01-25  1:30 ` Clem cole
2016-01-24 22:40 Norman Wilson
2016-01-25  1:55 ` David Ritchie
2016-01-25  1:59   ` Ronald Natalie
2016-01-25  2:14   ` Clem cole
2016-01-25 11:29 ` Tony Finch
2016-01-25 13:25   ` Ronald Natalie
2016-01-25 16:18   ` Pete Turnbull
2016-01-25 19:37     ` Clem Cole
2016-01-24 22:40 Norman Wilson
2016-01-25  0:23 ` Ronald Natalie
2016-01-24 18:56 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.25.1453658502.15972.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2016-01-24 18:34 ` Johnny Billquist
2016-01-24 18:01 Noel Chiappa
2016-01-24 17:37 Mark Longridge
2016-01-24 18:49 ` Clem Cole
2016-01-25  3:16   ` Dave Horsfall
2016-01-25  5:32     ` Warren Toomey
2016-01-25 12:27       ` Clem cole
2016-01-25 13:38         ` Lawrence Stewart
2016-01-25 14:15           ` Clem Cole
2016-01-26 19:52         ` Dave Horsfall
2016-01-26 20:41           ` Clem Cole

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