[TUHS] Historic Linux versions not on kernel.org

[TUHS] Historic Linux versions not on kernel.org

[Warner Losh]

I have a ImageMagic CD that I got back in 1994 that I found in my
garage. It has a bunch of versions of linux that aren't on kernel.org.
The 0.99 series, the 0.98 series and what looks like 1.0 alpha pl14
and pl15.

Is anybody here interested in them?

I have fallen out of contact with the Linux folks, so don't know if
anybody on kernel.org would be interested in these. Does anybody care?

Warner

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[Wesley Parish]

There was a site I encountered in 2007-2008 collecting old Linux distros, but I haven't been back since 
then. I've forgotten its name, but I think that could be remedied easily enough. I've also got some 1994-
6 Linux CDs - FWLIW, I put an SLS distro on the Bochs site in 2002-3: I don't know what's happened 
since then.

Wesley Parish

Quoting Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com>:

> I have a ImageMagic CD that I got back in 1994 that I found in my
> garage. It has a bunch of versions of linux that aren't on kernel.org.
> The 0.99 series, the 0.98 series and what looks like 1.0 alpha pl14
> and pl15.
> 
> Is anybody here interested in them?
> 
> I have fallen out of contact with the Linux folks, so don't know if
> anybody on kernel.org would be interested in these. Does anybody care?
> 
> Warner
>  



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[Robert Swierczek]

> There was a site I encountered in 2007-2008 collecting old Linux distros, but I haven't been back since then.

These two sites come to mind.  Definitely worth exploring.

http://www.oldlinux.org/
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/

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[Michael Kjörling]

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On 30 Dec 2016 16:33 -0700, from imp at bsdimp.com (Warner Losh):
> I have a ImageMagic CD that I got back in 1994 that I found in my
> garage. It has a bunch of versions of linux that aren't on kernel.org.
> The 0.99 series, the 0.98 series and what looks like 1.0 alpha pl14
> and pl15.
> 
> Is anybody here interested in them?

I might be colored by the fact that I'm running Linux myself, but I'd
say that those are almost certainly worth preserving somehow,
somewhere. Linux and OS X are the Unix-like systems people are most
likely to come in contact with these days, and preserving their
history seems worthwhile. Linux' is probably easier than that of OS X
at least outside of Apple.

That said, at least the 0.99 series _does_ seem to be available on
kernel.org: https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/v0.99/
has what looks like every version from 0.99 proper to 0.99.15. I'm not
finding 0.98 anywhere, though, nor anything like 1.0pl14 (but I do
notice a patchset to 1.0pl15 in the kernel/v1.0 directory). There are
also 0.0x and 0.1x versions there under kernel/Historic{,/old-versions}.
So it's definitely a mixed bag.

I would suggest contacting the kernel.org folks and ask if they are
interested in receiving the versions you have. You just might have
found a little historical treasure trove of early Linux development.

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                 those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup)

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[Mantas Mikulėnas]

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On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Michael Kjörling <michael at kjorling.se>
wrote:

> On 30 Dec 2016 16:33 -0700, from imp at bsdimp.com (Warner Losh):
> > I have a ImageMagic CD that I got back in 1994 that I found in my
> > garage. It has a bunch of versions of linux that aren't on kernel.org.
> > The 0.99 series, the 0.98 series and what looks like 1.0 alpha pl14
> > and pl15.
> >
> > Is anybody here interested in them?
>
> I might be colored by the fact that I'm running Linux myself, but I'd
> say that those are almost certainly worth preserving somehow,
> somewhere. Linux and OS X are the Unix-like systems people are most
> likely to come in contact with these days, and preserving their
> history seems worthwhile. Linux' is probably easier than that of OS X
> at least outside of Apple.
>
> That said, at least the 0.99 series _does_ seem to be available on
> kernel.org: https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/v0.99/
> has what looks like every version from 0.99 proper to 0.99.15. I'm not
> finding 0.98 anywhere, though, nor anything like 1.0pl14 (but I do
> notice a patchset to 1.0pl15 in the kernel/v1.0 directory). There are
> also 0.0x and 0.1x versions there under kernel/Historic{,/old-versions}.
> So it's definitely a mixed bag.
>

v0.98 does seem to be present in this Git repository
<https://archive.org/details/git-history-of-linux> – with Linus'
commentary, too.

-- 
Mantas Mikulėnas <grawity at gmail.com>
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[Joerg Schilling]

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Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote:

> I have a ImageMagic CD that I got back in 1994 that I found in my
> garage. It has a bunch of versions of linux that aren't on kernel.org.
> The 0.99 series, the 0.98 series and what looks like 1.0 alpha pl14
> and pl15.

Isn't everything in the source code controlsystem?

I thought that everything has been integrated in BitKeeper with help from Larry 
McVoy. Or are you interested in parts that are not in the kernel?

Jörg

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[Larry McVoy]

On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 05:52:45PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have a ImageMagic CD that I got back in 1994 that I found in my
> > garage. It has a bunch of versions of linux that aren't on kernel.org.
> > The 0.99 series, the 0.98 series and what looks like 1.0 alpha pl14
> > and pl15.
> 
> Isn't everything in the source code controlsystem?
> 
> I thought that everything has been integrated in BitKeeper with help from Larry 
> McVoy. Or are you interested in parts that are not in the kernel?

I didn't help with all that, I was pretty butthurt at the time.  I've
gotten over that but I'm still butthurt that Git won.  It's a really
shitty answer.  I can give you guys a writeup I did recently but I don't
want to spam the list.

I'd be 100% OK with BitKeeper not winning if Git was at parity or better
than BitKeeper, but that's not the case.  It's trivial to do a BK to
Git exporter, it's really hard to do the other direction, Git records
far less information.

It's pretty much what I predicted back in the early 2000's.  If you don't
leave space for commercial companies to make money and pay people to try
and reach for the better answer, you're gonna get mediocre answers.  And
here we are.