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From: lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy)
Subject: [TUHS] the guy who brought up SVr4 on Sun machines
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 10:42:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170110184203.GS8099@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqX1fXhq1csooG3B1PMQXzmfT=qxWTVXY_RF_M5HhXKMw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:33:59AM -0800, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 09:47:28AM -0800, Warner Losh wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Joerg Schilling <schily at schily.net> wrote:
> >> > Berny Goodheart <berny at berwynlodge.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Here???s the breakdown of SVR4 kernel lineage as I recall it. I am pretty sure this is correct. But I am sure many of you will put me right if I am wrong ;)
> >> >>
> >> >> From BSD:
> >> >> TCP/IP                        <=== NO, Svr4 uses a STREAMS based TCP/IP stack
> >>
> >> svr4's stack is derived from BSD with a STREAMS packaging. These files
> >> were listed as "in AT&T's code w/o BSD headers" in the countersuit for
> >> the infamous AT&T lawsuit.
> >
> > Yeah, I think Convergent did the STREAMS packaging, then Lachman bought
> > the stack, I ported it twice (ETA & SCO), then I believe it was Bill
> > Coleman (not positive on the name, it was the VP of networking) at Sun
> > that bought rights to the stack from Lachman under pretty unfavorable
> > terms, then Sun got unhappy with the terms (and the performance),
> > contracted with Mentat to do a new stack and I think that stack is what
> > remains in Solaris.
> 
> I did some work on the Lachman stack for sysvr4 machines at Wollongong
> in 89 or so as well... It was very BSDish code that had been involved
> in a horrific traffic accident and rebuilt in a STREAMS framework. I'm
> not at all surprised that it didn't scale, because at the time it
> barely worked...

Yup, been there, lived that.  Until Mentat came along it was the only game
in town.  I don't normally tell people I'm the guy that gave SCO networking
because it "barely worked" as you say.

I did get SCO to ship sw (STREAMS watch) that was sort of like a top for
STREAMS - it was useful to run this while beating on the stack and then
go tune the internal limits for better performance.  I can't imagine
anyone wants this any more, or if it even runs, but it's my copyright
and I stuck a copy in http://mcvoy.com/lm/sw.shar



  reply	other threads:[~2017-01-10 18:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-10 15:12 Berny Goodheart
2017-01-10 16:03 ` arnold
2017-01-10 16:20 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-10 16:24   ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-10 16:32     ` Berny Goodheart
2017-01-10 16:40       ` Chet Ramey
2017-01-10 16:41       ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-10 16:20 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-10 16:34   ` Clem cole
2017-01-10 16:38     ` Chet Ramey
2017-01-10 16:57   ` Berny Goodheart
2017-01-10 17:10     ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-10 17:47   ` Warner Losh
2017-01-10 18:28     ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-10 18:33       ` Warner Losh
2017-01-10 18:42         ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2017-01-10 19:21           ` Clem cole
2017-01-10 19:41             ` Clem cole
2017-01-11 21:03             ` Dan Cross
2017-01-11 20:56   ` Dan Cross
2017-01-11 22:57     ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-11 23:06       ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-11 23:52         ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-11 23:57           ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-12  0:07             ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-12  1:58               ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-12 10:39                 ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found] ` <1154c8d8-2051-455e-a3f2-45415d901232.maildroid@localhost>
2017-01-10 16:34   ` Berny Goodheart
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-01-11 18:07 Noel Chiappa
2017-01-11 19:37 ` Charles Anthony
2017-01-10 21:26 Noel Chiappa
2017-01-10 15:38 Noel Chiappa
2017-01-04  2:41 Larry McVoy
2017-01-04  3:00 ` Warner Losh
2017-01-04  3:23   ` Dan Cross
2017-01-04  3:35     ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 12:24       ` Ed Carp
2017-01-04 16:17       ` ron minnich
2017-01-04 16:31         ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 16:34           ` ron minnich
2017-01-04 16:57             ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:06               ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 17:11                 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:15                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 17:40                     ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:42                       ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 17:48                         ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:57                           ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 18:24                             ` Dan Cross
2017-01-04 18:30                               ` Dan Cross
2017-01-04 18:25                             ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 18:32                           ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 18:46                             ` Dan Cross
2017-01-05 11:18                               ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-06  2:09                                 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-06  3:07                                   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-01-06 17:38                                   ` Warner Losh
2017-01-04 17:36               ` ron minnich
2017-01-04 17:41                 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 16:46           ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 17:02             ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:10               ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 17:39                 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:52                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 18:23                     ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 18:27                       ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 18:29                         ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 18:44                       ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05 11:50                         ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-06  2:02                           ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-09 13:40                             ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-09 17:48                               ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-10  3:58                               ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-10  4:16                                 ` Warner Losh
2017-01-08  1:37                       ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05  2:26                 ` Wesley Parish
2017-01-04 18:56       ` Nevin Liber
2017-01-04 19:05         ` Warner Losh
2017-01-04 20:00         ` Clem Cole
2017-01-04 21:20         ` Brad Spencer
2017-01-04 21:57           ` William Pechter
2017-01-04 21:57           ` William Pechter
2017-01-05  0:36       ` Dave Horsfall
2017-01-05  0:43         ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05  0:50           ` William Pechter
2017-01-05  1:01             ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05  3:00               ` Wesley Parish
2017-01-05  3:13                 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05  8:12                   ` Andy Kosela
2017-01-05 16:23                     ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05 16:31                       ` Clem Cole

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