From: erc@pobox.com (Ed Carp)
Subject: [TUHS] the guy who brought up SVr4 on Sun machines
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 06:24:30 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACYmRNCFCLw5bmn3c6kKvDzrnmggjtGqNtnOBwE6O4oRLxDKow@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170104033512.GA22116@mcvoy.com>
That's a good question. I was working for Sun at the time, and no one
I know was in favor of the switch - all we knew was that Scott McNealy
was cramming it down the throats of both Sun and Suns customers (or
that was the perception, anyway). I think they lost a lot of customers
because of that.
On 1/3/17, Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 03, 2017 at 10:23:28PM -0500, Dan Cross wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 10:00 PM, Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:
>> > > I was in building 5 at Sun when they were switching to SVr4 which
>> > > became
>> > > Solaris 2.0 (I think).
>> >
>> > Solaris 2.0 was the first SVr4 version of Solaris. 4.1.{1,2,3} were
>> > still BSD based, and Solaris 2.0 was SunOS 5.0 and OpenWindows.
>> >
>>
>> My favorite version number was SunOS 4.1.4U1: I was told that the ``U1''
>> meant, "you won", as in "you won. Here's another BSD-based release."
>
> That might have been the Greg Limes release. I may be all wrong but
> someone, I think it was Greg, busted their ass to try and make SunOS
> 4.x scale up on SMP machines. There were a lot of us at the time that
> hated the SVr4 thing, it was such a huge step backwards.
>
> I dunno how much you care about Sun history, but SunOS, the BSD based
> stuff before 5.0, the engineers and the customers *loved* it. I was
> not the first guy who worked until midnight on that OS, I wasn't even
> on the radar screen. Guy Harris worked on it, tons of people worked
> on it, tons of people poured their heart and soul into it. It crushed
> us when they went to SVr4, that shit sucked.
>
> My boss, Ken Okin, paid me for 6 months to go fight management to stop
> the switch to SVr4. It was more than a decade later that I learned
> that the reason for the switch was that Sun was out of money and AT&T
> bought $200M of Sun stock at 35% over market but the deal was no more
> SunOS, it had to be SVr4.
>
> I really wonder what the world would look like right now if Sun had
> open sourced SunOS 4.x and put energy behind it. I wrote a paper
> about it, I still wonder.
>
> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/bitmover/lm/papers/srcos.html
>
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Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-01-04 2:41 Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 3:00 ` Warner Losh
2017-01-04 3:23 ` Dan Cross
2017-01-04 3:35 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 12:24 ` Ed Carp [this message]
2017-01-04 16:17 ` ron minnich
2017-01-04 16:31 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 16:34 ` ron minnich
2017-01-04 16:57 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:06 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 17:11 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:15 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 17:40 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:42 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 17:48 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:57 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 18:24 ` Dan Cross
2017-01-04 18:30 ` Dan Cross
2017-01-04 18:25 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 18:32 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 18:46 ` Dan Cross
2017-01-05 11:18 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-06 2:09 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-06 3:07 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-01-06 17:38 ` Warner Losh
2017-01-04 17:36 ` ron minnich
2017-01-04 17:41 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 16:46 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 17:02 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:10 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 17:39 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 17:52 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 18:23 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 18:27 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-04 18:29 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-04 18:44 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05 11:50 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-06 2:02 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-09 13:40 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-09 17:48 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-10 3:58 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-10 4:16 ` Warner Losh
2017-01-08 1:37 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05 2:26 ` Wesley Parish
2017-01-04 18:56 ` Nevin Liber
2017-01-04 19:05 ` Warner Losh
2017-01-04 20:00 ` Clem Cole
2017-01-04 21:20 ` Brad Spencer
2017-01-04 21:57 ` William Pechter
2017-01-04 21:57 ` William Pechter
2017-01-05 0:36 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-01-05 0:43 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05 0:50 ` William Pechter
2017-01-05 1:01 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05 3:00 ` Wesley Parish
2017-01-05 3:13 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05 8:12 ` Andy Kosela
2017-01-05 16:23 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-05 16:31 ` Clem Cole
2017-01-10 15:12 Berny Goodheart
2017-01-10 16:03 ` arnold
2017-01-10 16:20 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-10 16:24 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-10 16:32 ` Berny Goodheart
2017-01-10 16:40 ` Chet Ramey
2017-01-10 16:41 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-10 16:20 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-10 16:34 ` Clem cole
2017-01-10 16:38 ` Chet Ramey
2017-01-10 16:57 ` Berny Goodheart
2017-01-10 17:10 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-10 17:47 ` Warner Losh
2017-01-10 18:28 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-10 18:33 ` Warner Losh
2017-01-10 18:42 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-10 19:21 ` Clem cole
2017-01-10 19:41 ` Clem cole
2017-01-11 21:03 ` Dan Cross
2017-01-11 20:56 ` Dan Cross
2017-01-11 22:57 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-11 23:06 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-11 23:52 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-11 23:57 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-12 0:07 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-01-12 1:58 ` Larry McVoy
2017-01-12 10:39 ` Joerg Schilling
[not found] ` <1154c8d8-2051-455e-a3f2-45415d901232.maildroid@localhost>
2017-01-10 16:34 ` Berny Goodheart
2017-01-10 15:38 Noel Chiappa
2017-01-10 21:26 Noel Chiappa
2017-01-11 18:07 Noel Chiappa
2017-01-11 19:37 ` Charles Anthony
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