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From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Subject: [TUHS] [TUHS}  PDP-11, Unix, octal?
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:33:58 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170118023358.BE5C818C095@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> (raw)

    > From: Doug McIlroy

    > Perhaps the real question is why did IBM break so completely to hex for
    > the 360?

Probably because the 360 had 8-bit bytes?

Unless there's something like the PDP-11 instruction format which makes octal
optimal, octal is a pain working with 8-bit bytes; anytime you're looking at
the higher bytes in a word, unless you are working through software which
will 'interpret' the bytes for you, it's a PITA.

The 360 instruction coding doesn't really benefit from octal (well,
instructions are in 4 classes, based on the high two bits of the first byte,
but past that, hex works better); opcodes are 8 or 16 bits, and register
numbers are 4 bits.

As to why the 360 had 8-bit bytes, according to "IBM's 360 and Early 370
Systems" (Pugh, Johnson, and Palmer, pp. 148-149), there was a big fight over
whether to use 6 or 8, and they finally went with 8 because i) statistics
showed that more customer data was numbers, rather than text, and storing
decimal numbers in 6-bit bytes was inefficient (BCD does two digits per 8-bit
byte), and ii) they were looking forward to handling text with upper- and
lower-case.

	Noel


             reply	other threads:[~2017-01-18  2:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-18  2:33 Noel Chiappa [this message]
2017-01-18  3:06 ` Steve Johnson
2017-01-18  3:36   ` Dan Cross
2017-01-18  6:53     ` Angelo Papenhoff
2017-01-18  7:31       ` ron minnich
2017-01-18  8:09         ` Angelo Papenhoff
2017-01-18 21:04     ` Steve Johnson
2017-01-18 21:42       ` Charles Anthony
2017-01-18  6:04   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-01-18 18:47     ` Peter Jeremy
2017-01-18 18:58       ` Charles Anthony
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-01-18 14:28 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2017-01-17  2:23 Doug McIlroy
2017-01-18 16:47 ` Clem Cole

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