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From: tytso@mit.edu (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: [TUHS] RFS was: Re: UNIX of choice these days?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:09:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170928140906.3nzz4bi6cy76qfxu@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170928125354.CE4E318C088@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 08:53:54AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>     > From: Theodore Ts'o
> 
>     > when a file was truncated and then rewritten, and "truncate this file"
>     > packet got reordered and got received after the "here's the new 4k of
>     > contents of the file", Hilar[i]ty Enused.
> 
> This sounds _exactly_ like a bad bug found in the RVD protocol (Remote Virtual
> Disk - a simple block device emulator). Disks kept suffering bit rot (damage
> to the inodes, IIRC). After much suffering, and pain trying to debug it (lots
> of disk writes, how do you figure out the one that's the problem), it was
> finally found (IIRC, it wasn't something thinking about it, they actually
> caught it). Turned out (I'm pretty sure my memory of the bug is correct), if
> you had two writes of the same block in quick sucession, and the second was
> lost, if the first one's ack was delayed Just Enough...

At least at Project Athena, we only used RVD as a way to do read-only
dissemination of system software, since RVD couldn't provide any kind
of file sharing, which was important at Athena.  So we used NFS
initially, and later on, transitioned to the Andrew File System (AFS).

The fact that with AFS you could do live migration of a user's home
directory, in the middle of day, to replace a drive that was making
early signs of failure --- was such that all of our ops people
infinitely preferred AFS to NFS.  NFS meant coming in late at night,
after scheduling downtime, to replace a failing disk, where as with
AFS, aside from a 30 second hiccup when the AFS volume was swept from
one server to another, was such that AFS was referred to as "crack
cocaine".  One ops people had a sniff of AFS, they never wanted to go
back to NFS.

						- Ted



  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-28 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-28 12:53 Noel Chiappa
2017-09-28 14:09 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2017-09-28 14:35   ` Clem Cole
     [not found] <mailman.1219.1506559196.3779.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2017-09-28 14:08 ` David
2017-09-28 17:22   ` Pete Wright
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-09-20  0:12 [TUHS] " Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20  0:39 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-23  9:17   ` Dario Niedermann
2017-09-23  9:36     ` Steve Mynott
2017-09-24 13:46       ` Andy Kosela
2017-09-24 14:02         ` ron minnich
2017-09-24 17:33           ` Clem Cole
2017-09-24 17:51             ` [TUHS] RFS was: " Arthur Krewat
2017-09-24 19:54               ` Clem Cole
2017-09-24 21:59                 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-24 22:08                 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-24 23:52                   ` Clem Cole
2017-09-27  8:44                 ` arnold
2017-09-27 15:25                   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-27 15:49                     ` arnold
2017-09-27 17:38                   ` Mantas Mikulėnas
2017-09-27 23:01                   ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-27 23:11                     ` Clem Cole
2017-09-27 23:13                       ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-28  0:39                         ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28  3:19                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-09-28 13:45                             ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28 17:12                               ` Steve Johnson
2017-09-28  0:54                         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-28  0:59                           ` William Pechter
2017-09-28 13:49                         ` arnold
2017-09-28 14:07                           ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28 14:28                             ` arnold
2017-09-28 19:49                               ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28 20:00                             ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-28 14:27                           ` Clem Cole
2017-09-28 22:08                             ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-28 22:20                               ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-29  2:23                                 ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-29  8:59                                 ` Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri
2017-09-29 14:20                                   ` Clem Cole
2017-09-29 16:46                                   ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-29 17:02                                     ` Kurt H Maier
2017-09-29 17:27                                       ` Pete Wright
2017-09-29 18:11                                       ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-29 18:47                                     ` Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri
2017-09-29 15:22                                 ` George Ross
2017-09-29 18:40                                   ` Don Hopkins
2017-09-29 19:03                                     ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-29 21:24                                     ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-29 22:11                                       ` Don Hopkins
2017-09-29 22:21                                         ` Don Hopkins
2017-09-29 19:19                                 ` Dan Cross
2017-09-29 19:22                                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-29 20:52                                   ` Jon Forrest

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