* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
@ 2017-12-08 23:26 Dave Horsfall
2017-12-09 0:05 ` Larry McVoy
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2017-12-08 23:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
(At the risk of being flamed because it's not strictly Unix...)
We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy. She
coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of relay
contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer debugged"
in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well. She was
convinced that computers could be programmed in an English-like language
and developed Flow-Matic, which in turn became, err, COBOL... She was
posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2016 by Barack
Obama.
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-08 23:26 [TUHS] Grace Hopper Dave Horsfall
@ 2017-12-09 0:05 ` Larry McVoy
2017-12-09 0:39 ` Mike Markowski
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From: Larry McVoy @ 2017-12-09 0:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 10:26:39AM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> (At the risk of being flamed because it's not strictly Unix...)
It might not be Unix but seems appropriate to me, she was amazing.
> We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
> Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy. She
> coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of relay
> contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer debugged" in
> the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well. She was
> convinced that computers could be programmed in an English-like language and
> developed Flow-Matic, which in turn became, err, COBOL... She was
> posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2016 by Barack
> Obama.
>
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> Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
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Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-08 23:26 [TUHS] Grace Hopper Dave Horsfall
2017-12-09 0:05 ` Larry McVoy
@ 2017-12-09 0:39 ` Mike Markowski
2017-12-09 3:21 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Mike Markowski @ 2017-12-09 0:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 12/08/2017 06:26 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> (At the risk of being flamed because it's not strictly Unix...)
>
> We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as
> "Amazing Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the
> Navy. [...]
Coincidentally, I work in Hopper Hall, named after her, and complete
with a nice bronze plaque with her likeness in the lobby. There's a
short blurb on her about 2/3 down the page at:
https://www.army.mil/article/66745/new_campus_built_on_tradition_of_excellence
Mike Markowski
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-08 23:26 [TUHS] Grace Hopper Dave Horsfall
2017-12-09 0:05 ` Larry McVoy
2017-12-09 0:39 ` Mike Markowski
@ 2017-12-09 3:21 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-12-09 10:04 ` Jason Stevens
2017-12-09 18:03 ` arnold
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2017-12-09 3:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> (At the risk of being flamed because it's not strictly Unix...)
I tremble to think of the reception for Countess Augusta Ada King-Noel's
birthday tomorrow; then again, it's also JFO's birthday!
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-08 23:26 [TUHS] Grace Hopper Dave Horsfall
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2017-12-09 3:21 ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2017-12-09 10:04 ` Jason Stevens
2017-12-09 17:31 ` Paul Winalski
2017-12-09 20:03 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-12-09 18:03 ` arnold
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From: Jason Stevens @ 2017-12-09 10:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I always liked her quick talk on a nanosecond vs a microsecond
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpsKnWZrJ8
I wonder what she’d think about a PDP-11 running in javascript...
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Subject: [TUHS] Grace Hopper
(At the risk of being flamed because it's not strictly Unix...)
We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy. She
coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of relay
contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer debugged"
in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well. She was
convinced that computers could be programmed in an English-like language
and developed Flow-Matic, which in turn became, err, COBOL... She was
posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2016 by Barack
Obama.
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Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-09 10:04 ` Jason Stevens
@ 2017-12-09 17:31 ` Paul Winalski
2017-12-09 20:03 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
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From: Paul Winalski @ 2017-12-09 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
I attended a lecture by Admiral Hopper ca. 1981 at DEC's software
engineering facility in Nashua NH. She used the
micorsecond/nanosecond demonstration as part of a prediction of the
end of Moore's Law, and the eventual need for parallel processing to
make further gains in computing speed. She drew another analogy: in
the 19th century, if you wanted to haul a larger load, you didn't
breed bigger and bigger horses; you hitched up several horses as a
team. She was quite the visionary.
She handed out nanoseconds as souvenirs after the talk. I still treasure mine.
-Paul W.
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-08 23:26 [TUHS] Grace Hopper Dave Horsfall
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2017-12-09 10:04 ` Jason Stevens
@ 2017-12-09 18:03 ` arnold
2017-12-09 23:17 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: arnold @ 2017-12-09 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
> We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
> Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy.
No argument there.
> She coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of
> relay contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer
> debugged" in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debugging#Origin_of_the_term which
indicates that "bug" and "debugging" had been around as technical
terms long before that incident.
Otherwise, yes, an amazing person.
Arnold
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-09 10:04 ` Jason Stevens
2017-12-09 17:31 ` Paul Winalski
@ 2017-12-09 20:03 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
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From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2017-12-09 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Jason Stevens <jsteve at superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
>
> I always liked her quick talk on a nanosecond vs a microsecond
Her Letterman appearance is a classic :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-vcErOPofQ
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-09 18:03 ` arnold
@ 2017-12-09 23:17 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-12-09 23:41 ` [TUHS] Origin of "bug" (was: Grace Hopper) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2017-12-09 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
>> She coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of
>> relay contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer
>> debugged" in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well.
>
> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debugging#Origin_of_the_term which
> indicates that "bug" and "debugging" had been around as technical terms
> long before that incident.
I need to investigate that further (I'd hate to spread misinformation,
which is why I enjoy being corrected, esp. in public).
(Pause for a message from the sponsor)
Ah yes, the quote is "First actual case of bug being found" (and it was a
Mk II, not a Mk I); thanks!
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* [TUHS] Origin of "bug" (was: Grace Hopper)
2017-12-09 23:17 ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2017-12-09 23:41 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2017-12-10 0:30 ` Bakul Shah
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From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey @ 2017-12-09 23:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sunday, 10 December 2017 at 10:17:54 +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
>
>>> She coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of
>>> relay contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer
>>> debugged" in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well.
>>
>> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debugging#Origin_of_the_term which
>> indicates that "bug" and "debugging" had been around as technical terms
>> long before that incident.
>
> I need to investigate that further (I'd hate to spread misinformation,
> which is why I enjoy being corrected, esp. in public).
I was going to pipe up here, but I wasn't sure if it would be
interesting. The Oxford English Dictionary has a first reference to
in this sense in 1875:
5. orig. U.S.
a. A defect or fault in a machine (esp. an electrical or electronic
one), or in a process, etc.
1875 Operator 15 Aug. 5/1 The biggest âbugâ yet has been discovered
in the U.S. Hotel Electric Annunciator.
1889 Pall Mall Gaz. 11 Mar. 1/1 Mr. Edison, I was informed, had
been up the two previous nights discovering âa bugâ in his
phonographâan expression for solving a difficulty, and
implying that some imaginary insect has secreted itself inside
and is causing all the trouble.
Grace Hopper's bug doesn't get a mention.
Greg
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* [TUHS] Origin of "bug" (was: Grace Hopper)
2017-12-09 23:41 ` [TUHS] Origin of "bug" (was: Grace Hopper) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
@ 2017-12-10 0:30 ` Bakul Shah
2017-12-10 3:20 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
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From: Bakul Shah @ 2017-12-10 0:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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May be it is derived from “bugbear”? As per Merriam-Webster:
1) an imaginary goblin or specter used to excite fear
2) a source of dread, a continuing source of irritation: a problem.
First known use 1552.
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* [TUHS] Origin of "bug" (was: Grace Hopper)
2017-12-10 0:30 ` Bakul Shah
@ 2017-12-10 3:20 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
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From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey @ 2017-12-10 3:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Saturday, 9 December 2017 at 16:30:57 -0800, Bakul Shah wrote:
> May be it is derived from ???bugbear???? As per Merriam-Webster:
> 1) an imaginary goblin or specter used to excite fear
> 2) a source of dread, a continuing source of irritation: a problem.
> First known use 1552.
OED suggests that both our "bug" and "bugbear" are derived from "bug"
(An insect or other arthropod). It agrees with the 1552 date:
1552 R. King Funerall Serm. sig. F.iiiiv Momishe mopers whiche can do
none other thyng else, but mope vppon ther bookes, to make vs
afraied of shadowes and buggeberes.
Greg
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