From: arnold@skeeve.com
To: douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu, arnold@skeeve.com
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Clever code
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 00:31:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <202212140731.2BE7VlmG009174@freefriends.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKH6PiU=2Au8c=pB-pk0dim-yXHEhEDM6o2dvCyEaNCNQrktAw@mail.gmail.com>
Thank you for the explanation. The skill of the programmers who had to
write code for such machines amazes me. I might could have held all
that kind of info in my head when I was younger, but certainly not today...
Thanks,
Arnold
Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> A delay line is logically like a drum, with circulating data that is
> accessible only at one point on the circle. A delay line was
> effectively a linear channel along which a train of data pulses was
> sent. Pulses received at the far end were reshaped electronically. and
> reinjected at the sending end. One kind of delay line was a mercury
> column that carried acoustic pulses.. The PB 250 delay line was
> magnetostrictive (a technology I know nothing about).
>
> If instruction timing is known, then the next instruction to appear is
> predictable. The only caveat is that instruction times should not be
> data-dependent. You can lay out sequential code along the circle as
> long as no instruction steps on one already placed. When that happens
> you must switch modes to jump to an open spot, or perhaps insert nops
> to jiggle the layout.
>
> Doug
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 9:31 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
> >
> > Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Apropos of accessing rotating storage, John Kelly used to describe the
> > > Packard-Bell 250, which had a delay-line memory, as a machine where
> > > addresses refer to time rather than space.
> > >
> > > The PB 250 had two instruction-sequencing modes. In one mode, each
> > > instruction included the address of its successor. In the other mode,
> > > whatever popped out the delay line when the current instruction
> > > completed would be executed next.
> > >
> > > Doug
> >
> > For us (relative) youngsters, can you explain some more how delay
> > line memory worked? The second mode you describe sounds like it
> > would be impossible to use if you wanted repeatable, reproducible
> > runs of your program.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Arnold
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-12-14 7:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-13 3:30 Rudi Blom
2022-12-13 3:41 ` Warner Losh
2022-12-13 3:53 ` Dave Horsfall
2022-12-13 4:03 ` George Michaelson
2022-12-13 8:05 ` Ralph Corderoy
2022-12-13 9:45 ` Dagobert Michelsen
2022-12-13 7:47 ` Ralph Corderoy
2022-12-13 19:56 ` Dave Horsfall
2022-12-13 11:46 ` John P. Linderman
2022-12-13 14:07 ` Douglas McIlroy
2022-12-13 14:31 ` arnold
2022-12-13 14:48 ` Ralph Corderoy
2022-12-13 15:10 ` Douglas McIlroy
2022-12-13 15:34 ` Stuff Received
2022-12-13 15:56 ` Ralph Corderoy
2022-12-13 23:02 ` Harald Arnesen
2022-12-14 7:31 ` arnold [this message]
2022-12-15 18:06 ` Marc Donner
2022-12-15 18:08 ` Marc Donner
2022-12-15 6:30 ` [TUHS] Delay line memory (was: Clever code) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2022-12-13 15:52 ` [TUHS] Re: Clever code Bakul Shah
2022-12-13 16:14 ` Ralph Corderoy
2022-12-13 16:30 ` Bakul Shah
2022-12-15 6:39 ` [TUHS] Sector interleaving (was: Clever code) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-12-13 18:02 [TUHS] Re: Clever code Noel Chiappa
2022-12-13 17:58 Noel Chiappa
2022-12-13 18:51 ` G. Branden Robinson
2022-12-13 20:14 ` segaloco via TUHS
2022-12-13 20:58 ` Warren Toomey via TUHS
2022-12-14 2:28 ` Luther Johnson
2022-12-11 20:03 [TUHS] Re: Stdin Redirect in Cu History/Alternatives? Larry McVoy
2022-12-12 2:15 ` [TUHS] Clever code (was " Bakul Shah
2022-12-12 9:48 ` [TUHS] Re: Clever code Michael Kjörling
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