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From: wlc@jctaylor.com (William Corcoran)
Subject: [TUHS] V7 Addendem [ really lawyers and AT&T consent decree ]
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 15:34:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <226E8011-09AA-4E31-8C41-D4750D6EB7A2@jctaylor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <017001d36f64$1e7f0550$5b7d0ff0$@ronnatalie.com>

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Oh, yes!  I remember the copper T1’s eventually traveled over a single pair using ADSL at high voltage.  In our metropolitan area, the copper plant had loading coils everywhere—undocumented.  If your copper T1 had the misfortune of having a loading coil somewhere in its path then your circuit was doomed.   Plus, these little Pairgain’s would literally explode inside the manholes.  Copper and T1s should have been outlawed.  Especially, since using fiber for everything but the last foot (TLF, lol) was far more reliable.

I do hope that the archivists view the delivery mechanisms like the T1, POTS, and so on as having historical significance and are inextricably linked to UNIX.  Talking to anyone that worked on the Bell System (and later telcos) always reveal great stories. Many are worthy of preservation.

Incidentally, I had a similar issue with a staffer needing remote access.  There were no viable wired solutions.  However, surprisingly, 4G MIFI with an unlimited data plan actually was a stable solution—-and she even received a dedicated IP.


Bill Corcoran


On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:04 AM, Ron Natalie <ron at ronnatalie.com<mailto:ron at ronnatalie.com>> wrote:

T1 wasn't cheap nor ubiquitous.    I ran the networking for the degree granting public colleges in NJ (which on the whole is a fairly metropolitan area) but there were places we couldn't get it.
It was also expensive.   Old school copper T1 required repeaters every quarter mile or so.     Debugging could be fun.   At least our telco (NJ Bell) back then could move the loop back around while I did tests to tell them where the line was failing.

And yeah, I live in one of those backwaters now.   No cable, no fiber optic anything.    I use two DSL lines to get an aggregate 20M down 1.5M up.   That's the best the vesiges of the old GTE telco down here can do.
ATT has fiber in communities down the road but we're too sparse to attract their interest.    Comcast won't even pull in a local drop from the main road.



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Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-06  0:33 [TUHS] V7 Addendem Warner Losh
2017-12-06  1:07 ` Warren Toomey
2017-12-06 16:11   ` Random832
2017-12-06 16:15     ` Jon Steinhart
2017-12-06 18:39       ` Clem Cole
2017-12-06 18:49         ` [TUHS] V7 Addendem [ really lawyers and AT&T consent decree ] Jon Steinhart
2017-12-06 18:53           ` Warner Losh
2017-12-06 18:58             ` Jon Steinhart
2017-12-06 18:54           ` Clem Cole
2017-12-06 19:20             ` William Pechter
2017-12-07 14:26               ` Ron Natalie
2017-12-06 19:23           ` William Corcoran
2017-12-06 20:30             ` Kurt H Maier
2017-12-06 23:59               ` George Michaelson
2017-12-07 14:03               ` Ron Natalie
2017-12-07 15:34                 ` William Corcoran [this message]
2017-12-07  5:08             ` Jon Steinhart
2017-12-07 15:09               ` Larry McVoy
2017-12-11 18:17           ` Paul Winalski
2017-12-11 18:39             ` Clem Cole
2017-12-12  0:27               ` Steve Johnson
2017-12-12  1:05                 ` [TUHS] V7 Addendem [ really lawyers and AT&T consent decree ] [ and besides it's "Addendum" ] Jon Steinhart
2017-12-12  1:45                   ` [TUHS] MERT? Larry McVoy
2017-12-12  2:09                     ` Jon Steinhart
2017-12-13 17:09                 ` [TUHS] V7 Addendem [ really lawyers and AT&T consent decree ] Jason Stevens
2017-12-13 17:05               ` Jason Stevens
2017-12-11 20:11             ` William Cheswick
2017-12-11 23:26               ` Arthur Krewat
2017-12-11 19:23 Noel Chiappa
2017-12-12 16:04 ` Random832
2017-12-12  1:28 Noel Chiappa
2017-12-12  1:42 ` George Michaelson
2017-12-12  2:04 Noel Chiappa
2017-12-12  2:17 ` George Michaelson
2017-12-12 13:59 Noel Chiappa

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