[TUHS] Happy birthday, Tommy Flowers!

[TUHS] Happy birthday, Tommy Flowers!

[Dave Horsfall]

Tommy Flowers MBE was born on this day in 1905; amongst other things he 
designed Colossus, the world's first programmable electronic computer, 
which was used to break the German Lorenz cipher (not Enigma, as some 
think).

Relevance to Unix?  Well, without the world's first usable computer we 
would not have the world's first usable OS, and M$ would probably reign 
supreme by now...

-- 
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer."

[TUHS] Happy birthday, Tommy Flowers!

[Michael Kjörling]

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On 22 Dec 2016 07:31 +1100, from dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall):
> Relevance to Unix?  Well, without the world's first usable computer we 
> would not have the world's first usable OS, and M$ would probably reign 
> supreme by now...

Just imagine how differently things would have turned out had a major
software company, in the dawn of the 1980s, decided to seriously
pursue its UNIX variant rather than a clone of CP/M as it turned out.

-- 
Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • michael at kjorling.se
                 “People who think they know everything really annoy
                 those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup)

[TUHS] Happy birthday, Tommy Flowers!

[Steve Nickolas]

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On Wed, 21 Dec 2016, Michael Kjörling wrote:

> On 22 Dec 2016 07:31 +1100, from dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall):
>> Relevance to Unix?  Well, without the world's first usable computer we
>> would not have the world's first usable OS, and M$ would probably reign
>> supreme by now...
>
> Just imagine how differently things would have turned out had a major
> software company, in the dawn of the 1980s, decided to seriously
> pursue its UNIX variant rather than a clone of CP/M as it turned out.

It did get a lot better after they added a Unix-like file API to v2.0, 
though. ;)

-uso.

[TUHS] Happy birthday, Tommy Flowers!

[Paul Ruizendaal]

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On 21 Dec 2016, at 21:37 , Michael Kjörling wrote:

> Just imagine how differently things would have turned out had a major
> software company, in the dawn of the 1980s, decided to seriously
> pursue its UNIX variant rather than a clone of CP/M as it turned out.

That could refer to either IBM or MS. At the time IBM perhaps wasn't a software company and MS wasn't major.

In any case, I don't think it would have made much difference:

[1] Even early Unix did not work well without a hard disk and/or ample RAM. Two years ago I ported LSX and whilst it is amazing to see a minimal Unix work with only 48KB and a floppy disk, it is much less usable than CP/M on 8088 class hardware. The constant swapping to floppy disk kills performance and the 3 FIFO process design quickly becomes a nuisance to the Unix experience.

[2] Hard disks and 256KB RAM did not become common on PC's until perhaps 1985, when DOS had already entrenched itself. Also, by 1985 almost half of all computers in the world were PC's.

[3] By 1980 CP/M had already an eco system with some 8,000 applications around it, including full screen word processors, spreadsheets, etc. CBASIC and dBASE had already spawned a cottage industry for line-of-business apps. These could be ported with modest effort to DOS. It would have taken years for a similar Unix eco system to develop.

In short, my guess would be that if IBM and MS would have pursued PC/IX and Xenix for the PC in the dawn of the 1980s, Gary Kildall would have become a billionaire pursuing CP/M-86 for the PC.

Paul