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From: gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
Subject: [TUHS] 8th Edition Research Unix on SIMH
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:02:09 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <66d1ab6c-1396-fa83-cb9d-2d87ab463be3@tnetconsulting.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170329004914.D997818C083@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

On 03/28/2017 06:49 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> But if people just have to press a button (basically), they won't learn
> anything. I guess I'm not understanding the point of the exercise? To say they
> have V6 running? So what? All they did was press a button. If it's to
> experience a retro-computing environment, well, a person who's never used one
> of these older systems is going to be kind of lost - what are they going to
> do, type 'ls -ls' and look at the output? Not very illuminating. (On V6,
> without learning 'ed', they can't even type in a small C program, and compile
> and run it.) Sorry, I don't mean to be cranky, but I'm not understanding the
> point.

Conceptually I agree.

However, I've had to teach enough people to know that they need a way to 
boot strap themselves into an environment to start learning.

Thus I find having a streamlined process available to them to be 
beneficial.  Then once they have gotten a taste, presuming they like it, 
they can go back and attempt to do more complicated things.

I do consider what (I believe) Warren put together for the UUCP project 
to be a very good start.  Simple how to style directions that are easy 
to follow that yield a functional system.

Conversely, take a look at what's involved in IPLing a minimal MVS 3.8j 
system in Hercules.  (Ignoring the turn key packages.)



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-29  1:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-29  0:49 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-29  1:02 ` Grant Taylor [this message]
2017-03-29 10:41   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-29 11:19     ` [TUHS] Release of 8th, 9th and 10th Editions Unix (was: Re: 8th Edition Research Unix on SIMH) Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-29  2:44 ` [TUHS] 8th Edition Research Unix on SIMH Tim Newsham
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-04-27  1:04 Norman Wilson
2017-04-27  1:26 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-31 22:31 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2017-03-30 11:47 Jason Stevens
2017-03-29  1:45 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-29  1:57 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-29  4:11 ` Grant Taylor
2017-03-28 18:58 David du Colombier
2017-03-28 19:32 ` Cory Smelosky
2017-03-28 23:50 ` Tim Newsham
2017-04-25  3:16   ` Tim Newsham
2017-04-25 20:34     ` David du Colombier
2017-04-26  3:50     ` Cory Smelosky
2017-03-29  1:06 ` Henry Bent
2017-03-29  1:19   ` Cory Smelosky
2017-03-29  1:35     ` Henry Bent
2017-03-30 14:16 ` David du Colombier
2017-03-30 18:30   ` David du Colombier
2017-03-31  5:05     ` Michael Kerpan
2017-03-31  5:36       ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-31 14:41         ` Michael Kerpan
2017-04-26  3:05       ` Tim Newsham
2017-04-26  5:53         ` Noel Hunt
2017-04-26  6:10           ` Tim Newsham
2017-04-26 23:49         ` Tim Newsham
2017-04-26 22:45     ` Tim Newsham
2017-04-26 23:02       ` Arthur Krewat
2017-04-26 23:21         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-04-26 23:07       ` Kurt H Maier

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