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From: lyndon@orthanc.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Subject: [TUHS] Charles Forsyth on putting Unix on a diet.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:34:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <921D6FFC-DD60-406F-B90E-EC40DB638624@orthanc.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171028020100.26A50156E7D7@mail.bitblocks.com>

> I wish there was a way to evolve plan9 into a modern Unix.
> Making an existing modern Unix diet into a lean OS is close to
> impossible.

But if you try to turn Plan9 into a lean UNIX, you lose everything that Plan9 advocates.  In particular, I don't see how you can possibly integrate namespaces into UNIX in any meaningful way.  Without those, it's no longer Plan9, and therefore a pointless endeavour.

> A unix kernel boils down to a few subsystems: device drivers +
> device switch, scheduling, VM, networking and network switch,
> filesystems + filesystem switch, interrupt handling, process
> management. Some graphics support. A bunch of this can be
> pushed out of the kernel without much loss of efficiency.  And
> may be the original design decisions of Unix need to be
> revisited for 21st century hardware.

The release of the 10th Edition UNIX source is much more enlightening.  Here you can see a fully functional UNIX with what, 29?, system calls?  And you can see the genesis of many of the Plan9 concepts (/proc, dial(), mk, mux, etc).

--lyndon



  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-28  2:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-27 10:36 Noel Chiappa
2017-10-27 13:03 ` Clem Cole
2017-10-27 13:23   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-10-27 21:51     ` Andy Kosela
2017-10-27 23:04       ` Larry McVoy
2017-10-27 23:15         ` Steve Simon
2017-10-27 23:39           ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-10-28  2:00       ` Bakul Shah
2017-10-28  2:34         ` Lyndon Nerenberg [this message]
2017-10-28  2:42           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-10-28  6:38           ` Bakul Shah
2017-10-27 21:43   ` Dave Horsfall
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-10-28 13:11 Norman Wilson
2017-10-27 21:30 Norman Wilson
2017-10-27 22:49 ` Chris Torek
2017-10-26 14:57 Doug McIlroy
2017-10-26 22:07 ` George Michaelson
2017-10-25  2:51 Dan Cross
2017-10-25  3:14 ` Larry McVoy
2017-10-26 17:27 ` Larry McVoy
2017-10-26 22:12   ` George Michaelson
2017-10-27  3:49     ` Steve Nickolas
2017-10-27  6:55       ` arnold
2017-10-27  7:30   ` Derek Fawcus
2017-10-27  9:44     ` David Arnold

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