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* [TUHS] The (un)importance of roff
@ 2018-12-03 16:30 Doug McIlroy
  2018-12-03 16:42 ` Clem Cole
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From: Doug McIlroy @ 2018-12-03 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

Thhis is a cross-posting from the groff mailing list, where
it was speculated that without roff there might be no Unix.
Old hands will be familiar with the story.

> Without roff, Unix might well have disappeared.

The patent department and the AT&T president's office are the
only in-house examples I know where Unix was adopted because
of *roff.

The important adoptions, which led Berk Tague to found
a separate Unix Support Group, were mainstream telephone
applications and PWB, a Unix-based IDE.

The first telephone application happened in the field. An
engineer in Charlotte, NC, heard of this cheap easily programmed
system and proposed to use it to automate the scheduling and
dispatch of maintenance on the floor of a wire center. Ken
visited to help get them started.

The first Bell Labs telephone application was automating
the analysis of central-office trouble reports. These had
been voluminous stacks of punched cards that reported every
anomaly detected in huge electromechanical switches. The Unix
application captured the data on line and identfied systematic
failures in real time.

The patent adoption was a direct result of Joe Ossanna's
salesmaship. Other early adopters were self-motivated,
but the generous support lent by Ken, Joe, and others was
certainly a tipping force that helped turn isolated events
into a self-sustaining movement.

Doug

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* Re: [TUHS] The (un)importance of roff
  2018-12-03 16:30 [TUHS] The (un)importance of roff Doug McIlroy
@ 2018-12-03 16:42 ` Clem Cole
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 2+ messages in thread
From: Clem Cole @ 2018-12-03 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Doug McIlroy; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:31 AM Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> it was speculated that without roff there might be no Unix.
> Old hands will be familiar with the story.
>

Doug - thank you for retelling the story.   As you say, older hand knew
it.  FWIW:   It's one of my examples of when I try to explain my
observation UNIX became self-sustaining because "Simple Economics always
beats Sophisticated Design"

The key point is that UNIX obtained >>users<< (customers) because it
inexpensively did what people needed to do when they had not other way ->>
"simple economics."  But it had to be based on solid foundations.  Just
being "cheap" is not good enough.  It has be "useful."  UNIX found 'users'
that needed what it brought them.

Clem
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