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From: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Proper use of TUHS (was Re: Typesetter C compiler)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2023 11:39:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W4x2wX3zTCgRKEoQ+qG=QiqR1piqeszh8_L6py0aAAm+g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230203141540.GS30555@mcvoy.com>

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 9:16 AM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 03, 2023 at 09:11:35AM -0500, Chet Ramey wrote:
> > On 2/2/23 8:44 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> > >>So, the question becomes: what _is_ that forum, if such a thing exists
> > >>at all?
> > >
> > >A new list?  Social media is for the birds; Usenet is dead, film at 11.
> >
> > A new list, if it serves its purpose of providing interesting content, will
> > eventually undergo the same thing. It's always going end up being some
> > variant of Yogi Berra's famous "nobody goes there anymore, it's too
> > crowded."
>
> In my opinion, Warren has been threading the needle nicely.  He lets stuff
> go into the weeds a bit but has a pretty good sense of when it is annoying
> people that we all want to keep around.  He's very understated about it
> all but he keeps this list pretty sane.
>
> If you haven't joined COFF, maybe consider it, if that got big enough
> then the other stuff could be done over there.

Some folks have given good suggestions, which I appreciate, but
perhaps it would help to explain exactly what I'm looking for.

I think that new system designs remain important, but without a
historical perspective, they run the risk of repeating old mistakes,
ignoring prior art, etc. Something I appreciate about TUHS is how one
has access to so many of the key players in Unix as well as other
systems: the perspective those people bring to the discussion is
illuminating.

But TUHS is clearly meant to be a Unix history list, not a "list about
new systems where we can ask about history because that helps us build
those new systems". In that sense, I'm not looking for COFF or a retro
or classic computer list, either, but for something explicitly modern
yet informed by history.

I don't believe such a thing actually exists.

        - Dan C.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-03 16:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-02 19:02 [TUHS] Typesetter C compiler Noel Chiappa
2023-02-02 21:57 ` [TUHS] " Jonathan Gray
2023-02-03  0:43   ` Jonathan Gray
2023-02-02 22:36 ` [TUHS] Proper use of TUHS (was Re: Typesetter C compiler) Dan Cross
2023-02-02 22:41   ` [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
2023-02-02 22:47     ` Jim Capp
2023-02-03  1:44   ` Dave Horsfall
2023-02-03 13:17     ` Alan D. Salewski
2023-02-03 13:55       ` Larry McVoy
2023-02-06 20:02         ` Chris Hanson
2023-02-03 14:11     ` Chet Ramey
2023-02-03 14:15       ` Larry McVoy
2023-02-03 16:39         ` Dan Cross [this message]
2023-02-03 16:54           ` Larry McVoy
2023-02-03 17:08             ` Dan Cross
2023-02-03 17:11             ` Steve Nickolas
2023-02-03 17:26               ` [TUHS] move to COFF " Will Senn
2023-02-03 17:31                 ` [TUHS] " Will Senn
2023-02-03 17:45           ` [TUHS] " Bakul Shah
2023-02-05 10:42             ` steve jenkin
2023-02-04  8:03           ` [TUHS] A List for New Systems Influenced by History. (Was: Proper use of TUHS) Ralph Corderoy
2023-02-04 13:56             ` [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
2023-02-04 17:31               ` [TUHS] Re: A List for New Systems Influenced by History Angel M Alganza
2023-02-03  6:36   ` [TUHS] Re: Proper use of TUHS (was Re: Typesetter C compiler) Lars Brinkhoff
2023-02-04 22:38     ` Tomasz Rola

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