[TUHS] SVN of CSRG Releases

[TUHS] SVN of CSRG Releases

[Warren Toomey]

Hi all, I came across this last week:

	http://svnweb.freebsd.org/

It's a Subversion VCS of all the CSRG releases. I'm not sure if it
has been mentioned here before.

Cheers, Warren

[TUHS] SVN of CSRG Releases

[Larry McVoy]

Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history online?  I know Kirk made
them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:12:03PM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote:
> Hi all, I came across this last week:
> 
> 	http://svnweb.freebsd.org/
> 
> It's a Subversion VCS of all the CSRG releases. I'm not sure if it
> has been mentioned here before.
> 
> Cheers, Warren
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[TUHS] SVN of CSRG Releases

[Warren Toomey]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
> Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history online?  I know Kirk made
> them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.

In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
	The folks at UC
	Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the SCCS
	files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.

which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that basis,
is publicly available. Go figure :)

Cheers, Warren

[TUHS] SVN of CSRG Releases

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 at 12:55:57 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
>> Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history online?  I know Kirk made
>> them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
>
> In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
> 	The folks at UC
> 	Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the SCCS
> 	files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.
>
> which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
> the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that basis,
> is publicly available. Go figure :)

Considering that all the SCCS files are on the CDs that Kirk
distributed, that's particularly strange.  My thought was that, with
the exception of Larry, nobody has the SCCS software any more.

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[Larry McVoy]

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:24:27PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 at 12:55:57 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
> >> Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history online?  I know Kirk made
> >> them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
> >
> > In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
> > 	The folks at UC
> > 	Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the SCCS
> > 	files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.
> >
> > which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
> > the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that basis,
> > is publicly available. Go figure :)
> 
> Considering that all the SCCS files are on the CDs that Kirk
> distributed, that's particularly strange.  My thought was that, with
> the exception of Larry, nobody has the SCCS software any more.

GNU has an SCCS clone.  A so-so one but James and his crew fixes bugs.
And I suspect that BitSCCS is out there on the intertubes somewhere.
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[John Cowan]

Larry McVoy scripsit:

> GNU has an SCCS clone.  A so-so one but James and his crew fixes bugs.

OpenIndiana has a derivative of the SVR4 version, and so does the
Heirloom Toolkit.

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[Steffen Nurpmeso]

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Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:
 |On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:24:27PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 |> On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 at 12:55:57 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote:
 |>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
 |>>> Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history online?  I know Kirk made
 |>>> them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
 |>>
 |>> In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
 |>>  The folks at UC
 |>>  Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the SCCS
 |>>  files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.
 |>>
 |>> which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
 |>> the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that basis,
 |>> is publicly available. Go figure :)
 |> 
 |> Considering that all the SCCS files are on the CDs that Kirk
 |> distributed, that's particularly strange.  My thought was that, with
 |> the exception of Larry, nobody has the SCCS software any more.
 |
 |GNU has an SCCS clone.  A so-so one but James and his crew fixes bugs.
 |And I suspect that BitSCCS is out there on the intertubes somewhere.

Jörg Schilling also has a(n extended) SCCS, now located at [1].

  [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/schilytools/

I have cloned the (FreeBSD based) git(1) repo mentioned elsewhere
in this thread, but it is no good -- a better version with much
(, much) better meta data is at [2], but it is much larger, of
course.

  [2] https://github.com/jonathangray/csrg

--steffen

[TUHS] SVN of CSRG Releases

[Diomidis Spinellis]

On 14/01/2015 03:55, Warren Toomey wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
>> Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history online?  I know Kirk made
>> them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
>
> In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
> 	The folks at UC
> 	Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the SCCS
> 	files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.
>
> which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
> the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that basis,
> is publicly available. Go figure :)

Here's another data point: when I asked Kirk regarding the public 
availability of the SCCS repo he pointed me to 
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/csrg/.

At https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo you can find a single 
1GB repository that integrates many of the snapshots and version control 
repositories available through TUHS and other sources (including the 
CSRG data).  Its commit history starts on Jun 20th 1972 with the First 
Research Edition and ends with FreeBSD 10 in 2015.  Git blame works 
across all the history's commits.

[TUHS] SVN of CSRG Releases

[Jacob Ritorto]

Not to over-state the importance of this particular version control system,
but having this code on github is game-changing; thanks, guys.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Diomidis Spinellis <dds at aueb.gr> wrote:

> On 14/01/2015 03:55, Warren Toomey wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
>>
>>> Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history online?  I know Kirk made
>>> them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
>>>
>>
>> In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
>>         The folks at UC
>>         Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the
>> SCCS
>>         files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.
>>
>> which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
>> the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that basis,
>> is publicly available. Go figure :)
>>
>
> Here's another data point: when I asked Kirk regarding the public
> availability of the SCCS repo he pointed me to http://svnweb.freebsd.org/
> csrg/.
>
> At https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo you can find a single
> 1GB repository that integrates many of the snapshots and version control
> repositories available through TUHS and other sources (including the CSRG
> data).  Its commit history starts on Jun 20th 1972 with the First Research
> Edition and ends with FreeBSD 10 in 2015.  Git blame works across all the
> history's commits.
>
>
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[cowan]

Jacob Ritorto scripsit:

> Not to over-state the importance of this particular version control
> system, but having this code on github is game-changing; thanks, guys.

When Github collapses because it can't make money, and there's nowhere
to move all 20 million repositories, *that* will be game-changing.
~~ grumble ~~

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[Jacob Ritorto]

haha, totally +1, but it's soooo easy to broadcast code, garner
contribution and collaborate this way that it's almost worth the risk.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:52 PM, <cowan at ccil.org> wrote:

> Jacob Ritorto scripsit:
>
> > Not to over-state the importance of this particular version control
> > system, but having this code on github is game-changing; thanks, guys.
>
> When Github collapses because it can't make money, and there's nowhere
> to move all 20 million repositories, *that* will be game-changing.
> ~~ grumble ~~
>
> --
> John Cowan          http://www.ccil.org/~cowan        cowan at ccil.org
> Wer es in kleinen Dingen mit der Wahrheit nicht ernst nimmt, dem kann
> man auch in grossen Dingen nicht vertrauen.  --Albert Einstein on honesty
>
>
>
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