From: imp@bsdimp.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: [TUHS] Dynamics between BSD and Linux
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 23:29:55 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANCZdfoBNPf3q=wsj81a8PdMNFerGqTvdA+Wxu5i3Y8-cVj0yg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180202061135.CAEAF156E811@mail.bitblocks.com>
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:11 PM, Bakul Shah <bakul at bitblocks.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 19:44:48 -0800 Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:
> Larry McVoy writes:
> >
> > It's a bummer because BSD brings minimalism to the table. You can run
> > a BSD machine in 128MB and it works. Hell, it used to work great in 4MB.
>
> I think this is the crux of the issue. As a group gets bigger,
> minimalism is hard to maintain. To have a fighting chance you
> have inculcate new people in the same minimalism culture and
> that takes time. This puts a higher bar to entry.
Though even in the early days of Linux, it could run in a slightly smaller
footprint. It just grew more quickly than BSD, though retained a better way
to subset that let it retain much of the lower end that BSD had grown too
large for for many years.
> The BSD stuff isn't being taken seriously because the BSD people aren't
> > interested in taking new people seriously. Which is a shame because the
> > work that Netflix and other BSD people have done is really cool.
>
> If you think what BSD folks have done is cool, just join in.
> Why not ignore the personalities and the popularity contest.
>
Honestly, most of the heavy BSD contributors do just that. There's drama
here and there, but it's mostly away from larger contributors... And so it
goes...
> Regardless of how we got here, the reality is that BSD at this
> point has a tiny footprint in the market. Even Linux has a
> small footprint in the desktop + laptop market, compared to
> Windows and Mac. BSD isn't even counted separately any more
> there. In the server market Linux is basically it. In the
> cloud market it is mostly Linux (almost all of it, if you
> don't count Azure). In the Mobile+desktop+laptop market, other
> than Android, Linux is under 1%. BSD numbers are just in the
> noise.
>
Yet, according to Sandvine, Netflix serves 35% of peak internet traffic,
all from FreeBSD. Go figure :)
> The reality is that BSD just doesn't matter to most folks. The
> same with minimalism. So it goes. [And neither fact matters to
> me for my non-pay work.]
>
Warner
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Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-31 8:39 Kevin Bowling
2018-02-02 3:44 ` Larry McVoy
2018-02-02 6:11 ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-02 6:29 ` Warner Losh [this message]
2018-02-02 6:36 ` George Michaelson
2018-02-02 6:43 ` George Michaelson
2018-02-02 20:10 ` Larry McVoy
2018-02-02 15:07 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-02-02 15:29 ` Larry McVoy
2018-02-02 15:46 ` Warner Losh
2018-02-02 17:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
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