From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Quick video: what's the oldest BSD distro
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 18:17:10 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANCZdfraUxkjdtOjxzB=wgAWQWnw2COT2ctjrvmDCDv9Hj=6Tg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2008271824180.28219@grey.csi.cam.ac.uk>
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> wrote:
> Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww60o940kEk
>
> A small query: I think you dated Mac OS X to 2000, which I guess refers to
> the Public Beta [1] but there was a Mac OS X Server 1.0 release in 1999
> [2] and developer preview releases in 1997 and 1998 when it was known by
> its codename Rhapsody (apparently Mac OS X Server 1.0 still called itself
> Rhapsody [3]). Rhapsody was clearly an intermediate stage between
> NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP and Mac OS X, so I suppose it's too different to count
> as a continuation, following your argument that 2.11BSD is too different
> to 2.9/2.10BSD to count as a continuation...
>
Yea, that's what I thought. Either one could say that 2.9BSD was continued
to 2.10 and 2.11 by Seismo and related folks (which puts its release back
to 1983 or 1985 depending on how you count things) and also the NextStep /
OpenStep -> Rhapsody -> MacOS would count which puts it 1989 as the first
release. There was at least some level of discontinuity in each of the
transitions (BSD -> Seismo and NextStep -> MacOS) so I excluded them both...
In some ways there's a continuity between CSRG and FreeBSD (Kirk and
others) and NetBSD (others) as well, so how do you count that? If you zoom
in too much, it becomes hard to make an unambiguous break because the code
pased from hand to hand so much with overlapping groups of people...
Warner
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Public_Beta
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Server_1.0
> [3] http://rhapsodyos.org/
>
> Tony.
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Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-08-26 19:27 Warner Losh
2020-08-26 20:17 ` Warren Toomey
2020-08-27 17:42 ` Tony Finch
2020-08-28 0:17 ` Warner Losh [this message]
2020-08-28 20:37 ` Clem Cole
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