From: Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>,
The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] [COFF] Fwd: Old and Tradition was V9 shell
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:32:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP2nic0fK+=eh=5MuY4BJH6zx4tCRMWcazmm1khYMzNmEdf8ug@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200224151929.GJ30841@mcvoy.com>
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2340 bytes --]
"I'd go to the local University that teaches Fortran and ask around."
Aye, there's the rub.
SIUE (Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville) still had a COBOL
curriculum a decade ago, and they might still. They were fairly forthright
in training people to go work at a lot of the stodgier St. Louis
enterprises that still had a large COBOL footprint (AB, Enterprise
Rent-A-Car, Caterpillar, et al). By 2010, though, Express Scripts was
trying hard to move away from its ANCHOR (COBOL) system and
whatever-it-was-they-had running on VMS, and it sure felt like in the early
2010s STL was mostly Java EE.
I would think that FORTRAN is likelier to be passed around as folk wisdom
and ancient PIs (uh, Primary Investigators, not the detective kind)
thrusting a dog-eared FORTRAN IV manual at their new grad students and
snarling "RTFM!" than as actual college courses.
That said, if you want to learn FORTRAN and don't mind working from modern
FORTRAN back, I really was impressed by https://lfortran.org/ , and the
ability to run it in a JupyterLab playground environment is fantastic for
quick-turnaround experimentation. Plus Ondřej Čertík
<https://ondrejcertik.com/> was fun to talk to and hang out with.
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 8:19 AM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:40:10AM +0100, Sijmen J. Mulder wrote:
> > Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> > > Fortran programmers are formally trained (at least I
> > > was, there was a whole semester devoted to this) in accumulated errors.
> > > You did a deep dive into how to code stuff so that the error was
> reduced
> > > each time instead of increased. It has a lot to do with how floating
> > > point works, it's not exact like integers are.
> >
> > I was unaware that there's formal training to be had around this but
> > it's something I'd like to learn more about. Any recommendations on
> > materials? I don't mind diving into Fortran itself either.
>
> My training was 35 years ago, I have no idea where to go look for this
> stuff now. I googled and didn't find much. I'd go to the local
> University that teaches Fortran and ask around.
> _______________________________________________
> COFF mailing list
> COFF@minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coff
>
[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3241 bytes --]
next parent reply other threads:[~2020-02-24 15:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <CAC20D2NJSKUwZJFaATht=FmnyYTBZ5Tqhb3h+nRaCvptNu=XdA@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAP2nic2C4-m_Epcx7rbW2ssbS850ZFiLKiL+hg1Wxbcwoaa1vQ@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAP2nic23tN8eHjaMC7iYPOE_HT=FXC6Q9KawXjSv5EW59sMA6A@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAC20D2Mf=jvpOHT_w23J=3cYk0nQgwM061Qu-E7=g_=E=eAc3g@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <20200212030152.GJ852@mcvoy.com>
[not found] ` <20200224104010.2d8510cfe00da71439f5d05e@sjmulder.nl>
[not found] ` <20200224151929.GJ30841@mcvoy.com>
2020-02-24 15:32 ` Adam Thornton [this message]
2020-02-24 16:15 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-24 16:19 ` Clem Cole
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to='CAP2nic0fK+=eh=5MuY4BJH6zx4tCRMWcazmm1khYMzNmEdf8ug@mail.gmail.com' \
--to=athornton@gmail.com \
--cc=lm@mcvoy.com \
--cc=tuhs@tuhs.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).