* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
@ 2017-12-09 1:08 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2017-12-09 2:21 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-12-09 2:47 ` Dan Cross
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From: Nelson H. F. Beebe @ 2017-12-09 1:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
For more on Admiral Grace Murray Hopper, by one who knew her well, see
Jean Sammet's remembrance:
Farewell to Grace Hopper: end of an era!
https://doi.org/10.1145/129852.214846
A Ph.D. thesis about her:
The Contributions of Grace Murray Hopper to Computer Science and Computer Education
https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc278692/m2/1/high_res_d/1002721264-mitchell.pdf
Books:
Grace Hopper: Admiral of the Cyber Sea
1-59114-978-9
Grace Hopper and the Invention of the Information Age
ISBN 0-262-51726-4
Grace Hopper: Computer Whiz
ISBN 0-7660-2273-0 [juvenile literature]
I've always found it amusing that she was a strong proponent of the
work ethic: "Act first, get permission later", which is in direct
opposition to the military chain of command, despite her rank as Rear
Admiral of the US Navy.
See also
ACM Grace Murray Hopper Award
https://awards.acm.org/hopper
https://awards.acm.org/hopper/award-winners
[Awarded to the outstanding young computer professional of the
year, selected on the basis of a single recent major technical
or service contribution. This award is accompanied by a prize
of $35,000. The candidate must have been 35 years of age or
less at the time the qualifying contribution was
made. Financial support of the Grace Murray Hopper Award is
provided by Microsoft.]
Don Knuth of Stanford was the first GMHA winner, in 1971; other
well-known people include Steve Wozniak (1971), Bob Metcalf (1980),
Dan Bricklin (1981), Brian Reid (1982), Bill Joy (1986), John
Ousterhout (1987), Guy Steele (1988), Richard Stallman (1990), Bjarne
Stroustrup (1993), Vern Paxson (2007), Craig Gentry (2010), ...
There is also a 1983 interview on a popular US news broadcast that
celebrates its 50th anniversary this year:
The 60 Minutes interview with Grace Murray Hopper
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-60-minutes-interview-with-grace-murray-hopper/
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-09 1:08 [TUHS] Grace Hopper Nelson H. F. Beebe
@ 2017-12-09 2:21 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-12-09 2:47 ` William Cheswick
2017-12-09 2:47 ` Dan Cross
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2017-12-09 2:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
> I've always found it amusing that she was a strong proponent of the work
> ethic: "Act first, get permission later", which is in direct opposition
> to the military chain of command, despite her rank as Rear Admiral of
> the US Navy.
Thanks! Now noted in my calendar...
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-09 1:08 [TUHS] Grace Hopper Nelson H. F. Beebe
2017-12-09 2:21 ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2017-12-09 2:47 ` Dan Cross
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From: Dan Cross @ 2017-12-09 2:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Nelson H. F. Beebe <beebe at math.utah.edu>
wrote:
> [...]
> I've always found it amusing that she was a strong proponent of the
> work ethic: "Act first, get permission later", which is in direct
> opposition to the military chain of command, despite her rank as Rear
> Admiral of the US Navy.
>
Sorry, this is a bit off-topic, but I'm going to actually disagree with
this to some extent. In the Naval Services, we're used to bucking the
chain; this has even been codified in the US Marine Corps doctrine of
distributed operations and maneuver warfare [*]; the idea is that the
people on the ground know the local situation best, so empower them to make
decisions in accordance with the overall commander's intent. Sure, you
understand that those decisions aren't going to be perfect, but that's ok.
In this way, RDML Hopper was following a long and noble tradition of the
United States Navy.
- Dan C.
(Former Captain, US Marines)
[*] See MCDP-1: Warfighting.
http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/MCDP%201%20Warfighting.pdf
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
@ 2018-12-08 20:04 Dave Horsfall
2018-12-09 3:31 ` ron minnich
2018-12-09 16:19 ` arnold
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2018-12-08 20:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy. She
coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of relay
contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer debugged"
in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well. She was
convinced that computers could be programmed in an English-like language
and developed Flow-Matic, which in turn became, err, COBOL... She was
posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2016 by Barack
Obama.
-- Dave
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* Re: [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2018-12-08 20:04 Dave Horsfall
@ 2018-12-09 3:31 ` ron minnich
2018-12-09 16:19 ` arnold
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From: ron minnich @ 2018-12-09 3:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
I got to meet her a couple times. I got a nanosecond from her twice
and lost both of them. One story she told was of navigating tokyo
using an international language ... Cobol.
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 12:06 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
>
> We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
> Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy. She
> coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of relay
> contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer debugged"
> in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well. She was
> convinced that computers could be programmed in an English-like language
> and developed Flow-Matic, which in turn became, err, COBOL... She was
> posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2016 by Barack
> Obama.
>
> -- Dave
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* Re: [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2018-12-08 20:04 Dave Horsfall
2018-12-09 3:31 ` ron minnich
@ 2018-12-09 16:19 ` arnold
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From: arnold @ 2018-12-09 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: tuhs, dave
Hi Dave.
We went through this last year:
Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
> We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
> Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy. She
> coined the term "debugging"
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debugging#Origin_of_the_term:
The terms "bug" and "debugging" are popularly attributed to
Admiral Grace Hopper in the 1940s.[1] While she was working on a
Mark II computer at Harvard University, her associates discovered
a moth stuck in a relay and thereby impeding operation, whereupon
she remarked that they were "debugging" the system. However,
the term "bug", in the sense of "technical error", dates back
at least to 1878 and Thomas Edison (see software bug for a
full discussion). Similarly, the term "debugging" seems to have
been used as a term in aeronautics before entering the world of
computers. Indeed, in an interview Grace Hopper remarked that
she was not coining the term[citation needed]. The moth fit
the already existing terminology, so it was saved. A letter
from J. Robert Oppenheimer (director of the WWII atomic bomb
"Manhattan" project at Los Alamos, NM) used the term in a letter
to Dr. Ernest Lawrence at UC Berkeley, dated October 27, 1944,[2]
regarding the recruitment of additional technical staff.
Please update your notes ...
Thanks,
Arnold
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
@ 2017-12-08 23:26 Dave Horsfall
2017-12-09 0:05 ` Larry McVoy
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2017-12-08 23:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
(At the risk of being flamed because it's not strictly Unix...)
We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy. She
coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of relay
contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer debugged"
in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well. She was
convinced that computers could be programmed in an English-like language
and developed Flow-Matic, which in turn became, err, COBOL... She was
posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2016 by Barack
Obama.
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-08 23:26 Dave Horsfall
@ 2017-12-09 0:05 ` Larry McVoy
2017-12-09 0:39 ` Mike Markowski
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From: Larry McVoy @ 2017-12-09 0:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 10:26:39AM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> (At the risk of being flamed because it's not strictly Unix...)
It might not be Unix but seems appropriate to me, she was amazing.
> We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
> Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy. She
> coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of relay
> contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer debugged" in
> the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well. She was
> convinced that computers could be programmed in an English-like language and
> developed Flow-Matic, which in turn became, err, COBOL... She was
> posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2016 by Barack
> Obama.
>
> --
> Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
--
---
Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-08 23:26 Dave Horsfall
2017-12-09 0:05 ` Larry McVoy
@ 2017-12-09 0:39 ` Mike Markowski
2017-12-09 3:21 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Mike Markowski @ 2017-12-09 0:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 12/08/2017 06:26 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> (At the risk of being flamed because it's not strictly Unix...)
>
> We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as
> "Amazing Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the
> Navy. [...]
Coincidentally, I work in Hopper Hall, named after her, and complete
with a nice bronze plaque with her likeness in the lobby. There's a
short blurb on her about 2/3 down the page at:
https://www.army.mil/article/66745/new_campus_built_on_tradition_of_excellence
Mike Markowski
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-08 23:26 Dave Horsfall
2017-12-09 0:05 ` Larry McVoy
2017-12-09 0:39 ` Mike Markowski
@ 2017-12-09 3:21 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-12-09 10:04 ` Jason Stevens
2017-12-09 18:03 ` arnold
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2017-12-09 3:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> (At the risk of being flamed because it's not strictly Unix...)
I tremble to think of the reception for Countess Augusta Ada King-Noel's
birthday tomorrow; then again, it's also JFO's birthday!
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-08 23:26 Dave Horsfall
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2017-12-09 3:21 ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2017-12-09 10:04 ` Jason Stevens
2017-12-09 17:31 ` Paul Winalski
2017-12-09 20:03 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-12-09 18:03 ` arnold
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From: Jason Stevens @ 2017-12-09 10:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I always liked her quick talk on a nanosecond vs a microsecond
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpsKnWZrJ8
I wonder what she’d think about a PDP-11 running in javascript...
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From: Dave Horsfall
Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 7:27 AM
To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
Subject: [TUHS] Grace Hopper
(At the risk of being flamed because it's not strictly Unix...)
We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy. She
coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of relay
contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer debugged"
in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well. She was
convinced that computers could be programmed in an English-like language
and developed Flow-Matic, which in turn became, err, COBOL... She was
posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2016 by Barack
Obama.
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-08 23:26 Dave Horsfall
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2017-12-09 23:17 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: arnold @ 2017-12-09 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
> We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
> Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy.
No argument there.
> She coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of
> relay contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer
> debugged" in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debugging#Origin_of_the_term which
indicates that "bug" and "debugging" had been around as technical
terms long before that incident.
Otherwise, yes, an amazing person.
Arnold
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
2017-12-09 18:03 ` arnold
@ 2017-12-09 23:17 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2017-12-09 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
>> She coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of
>> relay contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer
>> debugged" in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well.
>
> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debugging#Origin_of_the_term which
> indicates that "bug" and "debugging" had been around as technical terms
> long before that incident.
I need to investigate that further (I'd hate to spread misinformation,
which is why I enjoy being corrected, esp. in public).
(Pause for a message from the sponsor)
Ah yes, the quote is "First actual case of bug being found" (and it was a
Mk II, not a Mk I); thanks!
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Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
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* [TUHS] Grace Hopper
@ 2016-11-27 11:20 Rudi Blom
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From: Rudi Blom @ 2016-11-27 11:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
Probably most read about it, but just FYI
"Grace Hopper and Margaret Hamilton awarded Presidential Medal of
Freedom for computing advances"
https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/17/grace-hopper-and-margaret-hamilton-awarded-presidential-medal-of-freedom-for-computing-advances/
Grace's wiki page shows a 'real' computer bug :-)
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