[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[Ian King]

This sounds similar to some work with which I'm involved at the
University of Washington.  I'll see what I can learn....  -- Ian 

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From: Robertdkeys@aol.com [mailto:Robertdkeys@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:42 PM
To: wgm at telus.net; tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

As I am reading the details of this, it seems that they are at a
planning 
stage,
and wanting to coordinate the Library of Congress centrally with other
federal
and non-federal agencies and organizations to develop the "network" of
libraries and repositories for these materials.  It was not clear what
funding
was available to non-federal agencies.  My expectation is that the PUPS
and TUHS efforts ought to be somewhere in the overall thicket of the
Library
of Congress effort.  We need to find out more about this legislation and
potential work and funding.  It sounds very interesting...

Spinning the ol' propeller-headed beanie at full speed, and thinking out

loud....

Bob Keys
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[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[Gregg C Levine]

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Hello from Gregg C Levine
Same here. But as an American I am fully aware of the differences on
all three levels. State, Federal, and City. And why they do, or don't
work. I did succeed in figuring out what our friend in Oz was talking
about. And I am pleased that the LoC is getting involved.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tuhs-admin at minnie.tuhs.org [mailto:tuhs-admin at minnie.tuhs.org]
On
> Behalf Of Wm. G. McGrath
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:05 AM
> To: tuhs
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history
> 
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:33:38 +1030
> "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog at lemis.com> wrote:
> 
> >Sorry, I wasn't clear.  In America, "Federal" refers to the
> >American federal government.  Here it refers to the Australian
> >federal government.  Thus, the funds that the original poster
> >mentioned would probably not be available.
> 
> Clear enough. As a Canadian I'm certainly aware of the difference
> between federal and regional goverments. AFAIK though Digital was a
> Massachusetts company and thus the LoC has an interest in it's
> activities - along with the rest of the American computer industry.
> It's only logical that they'd have an interest in TUHS archives. It
> would be a shame to see TUHS loose out because of a silly turf war.
> Regardless of where the archive site hardware is located, the
> information in TUHS archives is clearly American. If you are
> interested in the preservation of Unix heritage I really can't see
> the point of nationalistic hostility, refusing to cooperate, or at
> least of trying. The LoC is certainly one of the best data
> repositories on the planet, and a great way of ensuring that
> knowledge about Unix is available to future generations. In my view
> results will probably depend more upon how things are approached
> rather then what country the server is located in. One thing is
> perfectly clear. Digital heritage has become very important.
> 
> 	bill
> 
> http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/ndiipp/repor/repor_plan.html
> http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2003/03-022.html
> http://www.loc.gov/
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[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[Wm. G. McGrath]

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:33:38 +1030
"Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog at lemis.com> wrote:

>Sorry, I wasn't clear.  In America, "Federal" refers to the
>American federal government.  Here it refers to the Australian
>federal government.  Thus, the funds that the original poster
>mentioned would probably not be available.

Clear enough. As a Canadian I'm certainly aware of the difference
between federal and regional goverments. AFAIK though Digital was a
Massachusetts company and thus the LoC has an interest in it's
activities - along with the rest of the American computer industry.
It's only logical that they'd have an interest in TUHS archives. It
would be a shame to see TUHS loose out because of a silly turf war.
Regardless of where the archive site hardware is located, the
information in TUHS archives is clearly American. If you are
interested in the preservation of Unix heritage I really can't see
the point of nationalistic hostility, refusing to cooperate, or at
least of trying. The LoC is certainly one of the best data
repositories on the planet, and a great way of ensuring that
knowledge about Unix is available to future generations. In my view
results will probably depend more upon how things are approached
rather then what country the server is located in. One thing is
perfectly clear. Digital heritage has become very important.

	bill

http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/ndiipp/repor/repor_plan.html
http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2003/03-022.html
http://www.loc.gov/

[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Thursday, 20 February 2003 at  9:02:28 +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote:
> On 2003-Feb-19 19:47:21 +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog at lemis.com> wrote:
>> You know that TUHS is based in Australia, right?  "Federal" has a
>> different meaning here.  Of course, there's a possibility that the
>> Australian government would be interested.  I'll investigate.
>
> Not that great a difference.  Both Oz and the US have a very similar
> Federal/state structure.  Getting US Federal funding for an Oz site
> is unlikely (but the LoC is going to need to work out how to handle
> the fact that the Internet doesn't acknowledge national boundaries
> and some of the information it needs to archive won't be in the US).

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  In America, "Federal" refers to the American
federal government.  Here it refers to the Australian federal
government.  Thus, the funds that the original poster mentioned
would probably not be available.

Greg
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[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[Robertdkeys]

Maybe it might be played from the angle that a US mirror could
be granted funds in some manner, to complement the down
under repository.   Just a wild thought...

Bob Keys

[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[Wm. G. McGrath]

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:02:28 +1100
Peter Jeremy <peter.jeremy at alcatel.com.au> wrote:

>Not that great a difference.  Both Oz and the US have a very
>similar Federal/state structure.  Getting US Federal funding for an
>Oz site is unlikely (but the LoC is going to need to work out how
>to handle the fact that the Internet doesn't acknowledge national
>boundaries and some of the information it needs to archive won't be
>in the US).


Yup. There are lots of issues here. The story made it to /. 
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/16/2322243&mode=thread&tid=99
and things like media longevity, data formats, and future
availability came up in the comments section. I believe we need to
somehow provide the future with the benefit of our intelligence and
experience as well as with information. And TUHS can be of help
there. Besides, a great deal of Unix history (not all of it be any
means) was created in the US: Bell Labs, Digital, Sun, IBM, SCO,
Xenix, etc. So there is clearly a US 'interest'. I guess the
question may be whether the Library is going to archive systems or
restrict itself to content, ie web pages.

	bill

[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[Peter Jeremy]

On 2003-Feb-19 19:47:21 +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog at lemis.com> wrote:
>You know that TUHS is based in Australia, right?  "Federal" has a
>different meaning here.  Of course, there's a possibility that the
>Australian government would be interested.  I'll investigate.

Not that great a difference.  Both Oz and the US have a very similar
Federal/state structure.  Getting US Federal funding for an Oz site
is unlikely (but the LoC is going to need to work out how to handle
the fact that the Internet doesn't acknowledge national boundaries
and some of the information it needs to archive won't be in the US).

Peter

[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[Ian King]

Oops, did that go out in HTML?  Sorry, new install of Outlook....  

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian King 
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:26 AM
To: 'Robertdkeys at aol.com'; wgm at telus.net; tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: RE: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history


This sounds similar to some work with which I'm involved at the
University of Washington.  I'll see what I can learn....  -- Ian 

-----Original Message-----
From: Robertdkeys@aol.com [mailto:Robertdkeys@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:42 PM
To: wgm at telus.net; tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

As I am reading the details of this, it seems that they are at a
planning 
stage,
and wanting to coordinate the Library of Congress centrally with other
federal and non-federal agencies and organizations to develop the
"network" of libraries and repositories for these materials.  It was not
clear what funding was available to non-federal agencies.  My
expectation is that the PUPS and TUHS efforts ought to be somewhere in
the overall thicket of the Library of Congress effort.  We need to find
out more about this legislation and potential work and funding.  It
sounds very interesting...

Spinning the ol' propeller-headed beanie at full speed, and thinking out

loud....

Bob Keys
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[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Tuesday, 18 February 2003 at 21:31:05 -0800, Wm. G. McGrath wrote:
>
> Howdy all,
>
> 	Is it possible that the Unix Archive might be able to get a
> little funding or assistance from the Library of Congress? This
> recent story in the Washington Post suggests that there is now a lot
> of money available in theory at least. I wonder if we would qualify
> for funding?

You know that TUHS is based in Australia, right?  "Federal" has a
different meaning here.  Of course, there's a possibility that the
Australian government would be interested.  I'll investigate.

Greg
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[Robertdkeys]

As I am reading the details of this, it seems that they are at a planning 
stage,
and wanting to coordinate the Library of Congress centrally with other federal
and non-federal agencies and organizations to develop the "network" of
libraries and repositories for these materials.  It was not clear what funding
was available to non-federal agencies.  My expectation is that the PUPS
and TUHS efforts ought to be somewhere in the overall thicket of the Library
of Congress effort.  We need to find out more about this legislation and
potential work and funding.  It sounds very interesting...

Spinning the ol' propeller-headed beanie at full speed, and thinking out 
loud....

Bob Keys

[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[Robertdkeys]

Wild long shot.... I used to write grants for this kind of thing.   Find out 
more
info and point me to where the granting info is and lets make a collective
grunt to see if something is possible.  Heck, all kinds of funds are available
if you submit the right kinds of proposals.  Yeah, I know, it is a pipedream,
but.....(:+}}...

Bob Keys
(stirring the history pot, gently.....)

[TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

[Wm. G. McGrath]

Howdy all,

	Is it possible that the Unix Archive might be able to get a little
funding or assistance from the Library of Congress? This recent
story in the Washington Post suggests that there is now a lot of
money available in theory at least. I wonder if we would qualify for
funding?

	bill

 Plan Approved to Save U.S. Digital History - 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10278-2003Feb14.html?referrer=email
The Library of Congress announced the next step in the effort to 
preserve that history: congressional approval of its plan for the 
National Digital Information Infrastructure and Preservation
Program.