[TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086

[TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086

[Natalia Portillo]

Is it possible to get a UNIX that runs on a 8086 or 8088 PC?
Or for 80286 or 80386?

Xenix?
AT&T?
SCO?
Interactive UNIX?

Where please?

[TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086

[Andru Luvisi]

On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Natalia Portillo wrote:
> Is it possible to get a UNIX that runs on a 8086 or 8088 PC?
> Or for 80286 or 80386?
>
> Xenix?
> AT&T?
> SCO?
> Interactive UNIX?

Minix is available and under a BSD like license.  I don't know if it will
suit you since it isn't derived from AT&T code, and the source for the for
the compiler is not included.

http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/minix.html

Andru
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[TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086

[Andru Luvisi]

On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Andru Luvisi wrote:
[snip]
> Minix is available and under a BSD like license.  I don't know if it will
> suit you since it isn't derived from AT&T code, and the source for the for
> the compiler is not included.
>
> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/minix.html

I spoke too soon.  Apparently the sources for ACK are now available:
  ftp://ftp.cs.vu.nl/pub/kjb/ACK/ACK-5.2.tar.gz

Andru
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[TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086

[Natalia Portillo]

Finally the posts became absolutely out of context.

I was talking about getting UNIX variants, nor "derivates" (such as
Linux or MINIX), nor current in-development projects like
Free/Open/Net-BSD.

[TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086

[Kenneth Stailey]

My turn to be the apologetic pendant but Andy wrote that he was trying to clone
version 7 not version 6.  A quick way to check is look for a stat.h file with a
"struct stat" in it.  That was added after version 6.

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[TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086

[Warren Toomey]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 07:15:39AM +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> warren
> 
> you missunderstood my point , I didn't imply it has at&t code!

Ah, apologies. I usually take ``derived'' to mean ``used code from'' :-)

Ciao!
	Warren

[TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086

[zmkm zmkm]

warren

you missunderstood my point , I didn't imply it has at&t code !, what I 
meant is it has the look and feel of at&t unix and indeed it was modeled (if 
you prefer instead of derived :-) ) after unix 6 as per the author and the 
way it look and feel.

as for the book , yup I read both the original book and the second one , 
that's what I meant it's an educational project oriented towards students.

cheers
zmkm


>From: Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org>
>To: The Unix Heritage Society <tuhs at tuhs.org>
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:28:41 +1000
>
>On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:29:11PM +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> > actually [Minix is] indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer 
>to
> > the actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C 
>compiler and
> > an assembler in the distribution
>
>Sorry to be a pedant here, but Minix was written wholly from scratch and
>has no AT&T code in it at all. I know, I've been playing with it since
>version 1.1. See also Tanenbaum's Operating Systems: Design and 
>Implementation
>textbook for the fully story.
>
>Ciao!
>	Warren
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[TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086

[zmkm zmkm]

warren

you missunderstood my point , I didn't imply it has at&t code !, what I 
meant is it has the look and feel of at&t unix and indeed it was modeled (if 
you prefer instead of derived :-) ) after unix 6 as per the author and the 
way it look and feel.

as for the book , yup I read both the original book and the second one , 
that's what I meant it's an educational project oriented towards students.

cheers
zmkm


>From: Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org>
>To: The Unix Heritage Society <tuhs at tuhs.org>
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:28:41 +1000
>
>On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:29:11PM +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> > actually [Minix is] indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer 
>to
> > the actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C 
>compiler and
> > an assembler in the distribution
>
>Sorry to be a pedant here, but Minix was written wholly from scratch and
>has no AT&T code in it at all. I know, I've been playing with it since
>version 1.1. See also Tanenbaum's Operating Systems: Design and 
>Implementation
>textbook for the fully story.
>
>Ciao!
>	Warren
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[TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086

[Warren Toomey]

On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:29:11PM +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> actually [Minix is] indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer to
> the actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C compiler and 
> an assembler in the distribution

Sorry to be a pedant here, but Minix was written wholly from scratch and
has no AT&T code in it at all. I know, I've been playing with it since
version 1.1. See also Tanenbaum's Operating Systems: Design and Implementation
textbook for the fully story.

Ciao!
	Warren

[TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086

[zmkm zmkm]

natalia

check also comp.os.minix it's active.

zmkm

>From: "Natalia Portillo" <iosglpgc at teleline.es>
>To: <tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org>
>Subject: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:08:28 +0100
>
>Is it possible to get a UNIX that runs on a 8086 or 8088 PC?
>Or for 80286 or 80386?
>
>Xenix?
>AT&T?
>SCO?
>Interactive UNIX?
>
>Where please?
>
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[zmkm zmkm]

andru

actually it's indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer to the 
actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C compiler and 
an assembler in the distribution ,
I am currently using 2.0.3 and I like it except for few reservations about 
its developments tools ,  it's nice in the way unix purist used to like 
versions 6 and 7 , small efficient neat and trying hard to become fully 
posix .

the development tools aren't as good as they should be  I don't like the ACK 
(amersterdam compiler kit) it feels gaged but its latest c compiler is 
highly ansi compatible , its assembler is a close cousin to the old 
assembler in IBM PC/IX version of unix.

to answer natalia

you can run it in two modes 16 bit and 32 bit check the 2.0.3 distribution 
page there are several packages 86/286/386 , don't bother with the so called 
2.0.0. or CD distribution it's old., the real nice touch is the version that 
runs in dos under windows , it's cute but be aware not everything works in 
due to the limited resources , but I like it for quick hacks.
minix was done for educational purposes the book published by AST the guy 
behind minix contains complete source code and oriented towards students .

here's the direct link to 2.0.3.

http://www.cs.vu.nl/pub/minix/2.0.3/


good luck


>From: Andru Luvisi <luvisi at andru.sonoma.edu>
>Reply-To: Andru Luvisi <luvisi at andru.sonoma.edu>
>To: Natalia Portillo <iosglpgc at teleline.es>
>CC: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:33:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Andru Luvisi wrote:
>[snip]
> > Minix is available and under a BSD like license.  I don't know if it 
>will
> > suit you since it isn't derived from AT&T code, and the source for the 
>for
> > the compiler is not included.
> >
> > http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/minix.html
>
>I spoke too soon.  Apparently the sources for ACK are now available:
>   ftp://ftp.cs.vu.nl/pub/kjb/ACK/ACK-5.2.tar.gz
>
>Andru
>--
>Andru Luvisi, Programmer/Analyst
>
>Quote Of The Moment:
>   Heisenberg may have been here.
>
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