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From: "Steve Johnson" <scj@yaccman.com>
To: david@kdbarto.org, "Steve Johnson" <scj@yaccman.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Archaic yacc C grammar
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:01:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c27ddaaf0161a10ff46759d5678ad5e317283fc9@webmail.yaccman.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5DB0D670-6B65-4558-9CCE-7F80FE5B62BA@kdbarto.org>

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The closest I came was when we went from a single namespace for all
structure names to a namespace for each structure, and references that
were checked using the pointer type of the structure pointer.
My code was a nightmare, and some of the old Unix code was at least a
bad dream.   I had to start out pretending to have a single
namespace, but when I saw the use of an actual structure pointer I had


to do it the new way.  As I recall when I saw something that would
not have been legal with the old rules (for example, two different
structures with the same element name but different offsets) then I
threw
 the switch and demanded the new way.  

There were certainly system changes that were flash cut.  For
example, changing the file system format -- there was no attempt to
allow both, which meant that the conversion program got one shot to
get it right.  And it didn't always manage that...

Steve

----- Original Message -----
From:
 david@kdbarto.org

To:
"Steve Johnson" <scj@yaccman.com>
Cc:
"The Eunuchs Hysterical Society" <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Sent:
Mon, 29 Oct 2018 12:02:29 -0700
Subject:
Re: [TUHS] Archaic yacc C grammar

On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Steve Johnson <scj@yaccman.com [1]>
wrote:

We actually had a pretty good system for making changes like that. 
First, we would change
the compiler to accept both the old and the new.   Then we would
produce a warning
that on a particular date the old would no longer work.  Then we made
the old an error
and printed a message about how to fix it.   Eventually, we just let
it be a syntax error.
This process was applied many times on the way from typeless B to
strongly typed C.

Was there ever a time when a change was desired that you couldn’t
accept both
the old and the new?

David

 

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-30 23:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-28 21:34 Lars Brinkhoff
2018-10-29  3:00 ` Steve Johnson
2018-10-29  7:31   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-10-29 17:52     ` Steve Johnson
2018-10-29 18:37       ` Warner Losh
2018-10-30  8:16         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-03 21:50           ` Steve Johnson
2018-10-29 19:02       ` David
2018-10-30 22:01         ` Steve Johnson [this message]
2018-10-31  0:58           ` Larry McVoy
2018-10-31 13:49             ` Clem Cole
2018-11-03 22:14             ` Steve Johnson
2018-10-31  6:09           ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-10-31 15:39 Noel Chiappa

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