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From: Toby Thain <toby@telegraphics.com.au>
To: Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com>
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday, John Backus!
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 23:11:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e4830fc5-21bd-234d-b945-faf6f64422d9@telegraphics.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKzdPgwMSP_DM1OXP9kACUP3mCZVWEjEXofdDsbZwGqWXCQ_HQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 2018-12-02 8:32 PM, Rob Pike wrote:
> Fortran was a marvel. Don't judge it by today's ideas about language design.

The 1977 lecture was by John Backus, not me, so I'm confused who that's
directed at.

> 
> -rob
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 9:34 AM Toby Thain <toby@telegraphics.com.au
> <mailto:toby@telegraphics.com.au>> wrote:
> 
>     On 2018-12-02 5:17 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
>     > As every computer programmer should know, John Backus was emitted in
>     > 1924; he gave us the BNF syntax (he is the "B"), but he also gave us
>     > that FORTRAN obscenity...  Yeah, it was a nice language at the
>     time; the
>     > engineers loved it, but tthe computer scientists hated it (have
>     you ever
>     > tried to debug a FORTRAN program that somebody else wrote?).
> 
>     He made amends by being early to recognise that problem, and propose
>     solutions, in his 1977 ACM Turing Award lecture (still perfectly
>     relevant today):
> 
>     https://www.thocp.net/biographies/papers/backus_turingaward_lecture.pdf
> 
>     --Toby
> 
> 
> 
>     >
>     > Trivia: there is no way that FORTRAN can be described in any
>     syntax; it
>     > is completely ad-hoc.
>     >
>     > -- Dave
>     >
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-03  4:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-02 22:17 Dave Horsfall
2018-12-02 22:34 ` Toby Thain
2018-12-03  1:32   ` Rob Pike
2018-12-03  4:11     ` Toby Thain [this message]
2018-12-03  4:27       ` Rob Pike
2018-12-03 13:10         ` John P. Linderman
2018-12-03 22:44           ` ron
2018-12-03 16:25 ` Clem Cole
2018-12-03 20:20   ` Paul Winalski
2018-12-03 20:37     ` Clem Cole
2018-12-03 20:46     ` Hellwig Geisse
2018-12-03 22:24   ` Paul Winalski
2018-12-03 23:00     ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-12-04 11:53   ` Tony Finch
2018-12-04 14:23     ` Clem Cole
2018-12-04 14:43 Noel Chiappa
2018-12-04 14:53 ` Clem Cole
2018-12-04 16:24   ` Tim Rylance
2018-12-04 16:53     ` Clem Cole
2018-12-04 17:46       ` Paul Winalski
2018-12-04 20:59         ` Paul Winalski
2018-12-05 17:49         ` Paul Winalski
2018-12-04 15:18 ` Toby Thain

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