* New PDF version of Installing and Using Research Unix Version 7 In the SimH PDP-11/45 and 11/70 Emulators @ 2017-10-12 5:08 Will Senn 2017-10-12 5:32 ` [TUHS] " Gregg Levine 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Will Senn @ 2017-10-12 5:08 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi all, I just finished creating an updated PDF version of a blog post I did a couple of years back, describing how to install and use Unix v7 in SimH. It's updated for 2017 and MacOS High Sierra 10.13. I started the update because I was wanting to do some research in v7 and thought it would be good to have a current set of instructions but really because I was interested in learning a bit about LaTeX and creating prettier, more useful documents. The notes still work fine as originally written, but I organized things a little differently and tweaked some of the language. I thought somebody else might like having a PDF version around so I uploaded the result, call it revision 1.1, and made it publicly accessible (the blog still needs updating, somebody oughta do something about link impermanence, but that's all for another day). Feel free to comment or complain. I added a section in honor of dmr at one commenter's suggestion. Here's the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1_Jn6Hlzym-Zmx1TjR3TENDQTA Later, Will -- GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] New PDF version of Installing and Using Research Unix Version 7 In the SimH PDP-11/45 and 11/70 Emulators 2017-10-12 5:08 New PDF version of Installing and Using Research Unix Version 7 In the SimH PDP-11/45 and 11/70 Emulators Will Senn @ 2017-10-12 5:32 ` Gregg Levine 2017-10-12 17:34 ` Will Senn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Gregg Levine @ 2017-10-12 5:32 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello! (If this is seen twice, then that's because Google complained that the mangle list wasn't accepting messages.) Will, has this been idea been tested on any of the platforms that the emulator runs on? (Not going to mention one in particular by name since it's sore spot around here.) ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Will Senn <will.senn at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I just finished creating an updated PDF version of a blog post I did a > couple of years back, describing how to install and use Unix v7 in SimH. > It's updated for 2017 and MacOS High Sierra 10.13. I started the update > because I was wanting to do some research in v7 and thought it would be good > to have a current set of instructions but really because I was interested in > learning a bit about LaTeX and creating prettier, more useful documents. The > notes still work fine as originally written, but I organized things a little > differently and tweaked some of the language. I thought somebody else might > like having a PDF version around so I uploaded the result, call it revision > 1.1, and made it publicly accessible (the blog still needs updating, > somebody oughta do something about link impermanence, but that's all for > another day). Feel free to comment or complain. I added a section in honor > of dmr at one commenter's suggestion. Here's the link: > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1_Jn6Hlzym-Zmx1TjR3TENDQTA > > Later, > > Will > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] New PDF version of Installing and Using Research Unix Version 7 In the SimH PDP-11/45 and 11/70 Emulators 2017-10-12 5:32 ` [TUHS] " Gregg Levine @ 2017-10-12 17:34 ` Will Senn 2017-10-12 19:11 ` Gregg Levine 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Will Senn @ 2017-10-12 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4035 bytes --] Gregg, I'm not sure I understand your question exactly, but as mentioned in the note, I tested the instructions on Mac OS X Mavericks through MacOS High Sierra as well as multiple flavors of FreeBSD 10-11. Your comment sparked my interest in trying it out on Windows (maybe that's the OS non-grata?), so I tested it there as well. Seems to work, although I found the experience distasteful in the extreme . The number of tools missing on that OS are mind boggling... but I did get it working. In full disclosure, I couldn't bring myself to run it on metal. I just ran the Windows 8.1 Enterprise environment in a VM running on Linux Mint 18.2 (a debian/ubuntu variant). Just so you know, I have to have a *nix like set of tools on any OS I use, these days, or I feel like my left arm is missing, so the minimal workable set for me in this case was Git with unix tools (a version on MinGW, I think). I used to use Cygwin, but it's so bloated it's sickening and the installer is unfriendly to say the least (I would be satisfied with a button that said "reasonable set of unix tools", but the minimal selection is minimalist, not reasonable). Anyhow, Git with unix tools will get you a bash shell that has an almost reasonable set of tools. Enough the do the work required for this note anyway. SimH has binaries for windows to download. I picked the one that was created 29 days ago, unzipped it, put it on the path and it just worked. Quite a few steps in the prep required minor tweakage (no vi, no emacs - see what I mean about minimal not being reasonable, but notepad++ worked ok; no gunzip, but gzip -d < zipfile > unzipped worked, perl script didn't seem to work right, not sure what that's about - may look into it later, since I wrote it, but in the meantime I just downloaded the tap file from the archive and it worked fine)... Bottom line for windows, download the tap file from the archive, create two ini files, one for first boot, the other for normal boot and the rest of the instructions work verbatim. I haven't bothered with linux, just cuz I somehow didn't, but I gather it will probably work about as well as on the BSD's. Is that what you were asking, or something more subtle? Regards, Will On 10/12/17 12:32 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: > Hello! > (If this is seen twice, then that's because Google complained that the > mangle list wasn't accepting messages.) > Will, has this been idea been tested on any of the platforms that the > emulator runs on? (Not going to mention one in particular by name > since it's sore spot around here.) > ----- > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." > > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Will Senn <will.senn at gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I just finished creating an updated PDF version of a blog post I did a >> couple of years back, describing how to install and use Unix v7 in SimH. >> It's updated for 2017 and MacOS High Sierra 10.13. I started the update >> because I was wanting to do some research in v7 and thought it would be good >> to have a current set of instructions but really because I was interested in >> learning a bit about LaTeX and creating prettier, more useful documents. The >> notes still work fine as originally written, but I organized things a little >> differently and tweaked some of the language. I thought somebody else might >> like having a PDF version around so I uploaded the result, call it revision >> 1.1, and made it publicly accessible (the blog still needs updating, >> somebody oughta do something about link impermanence, but that's all for >> another day). Feel free to comment or complain. I added a section in honor >> of dmr at one commenter's suggestion. Here's the link: >> >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1_Jn6Hlzym-Zmx1TjR3TENDQTA >> >> Later, >> >> Will >> >> -- >> GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF >> >> -- GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] New PDF version of Installing and Using Research Unix Version 7 In the SimH PDP-11/45 and 11/70 Emulators 2017-10-12 17:34 ` Will Senn @ 2017-10-12 19:11 ` Gregg Levine 2017-10-12 20:50 ` Will Senn 2017-10-13 17:58 ` Will Senn 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Gregg Levine @ 2017-10-12 19:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello! I was thinking of Linux, since it and FreeBSD, and even NetBSD, are next door neighbors of a sort. But at least it is a start. Thank you! ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Will Senn <will.senn at gmail.com> wrote: > Gregg, > > I'm not sure I understand your question exactly, but as mentioned in the > note, I tested the instructions on Mac OS X Mavericks through MacOS High > Sierra as well as multiple flavors of FreeBSD 10-11. Your comment sparked my > interest in trying it out on Windows (maybe that's the OS non-grata?), so I > tested it there as well. Seems to work, although I found the experience > distasteful in the extreme . The number of tools missing on that OS are mind > boggling... but I did get it working. In full disclosure, I couldn't bring > myself to run it on metal. I just ran the Windows 8.1 Enterprise > environment in a VM running on Linux Mint 18.2 (a debian/ubuntu variant). > > Just so you know, I have to have a *nix like set of tools on any OS I use, > these days, or I feel like my left arm is missing, so the minimal workable > set for me in this case was Git with unix tools (a version on MinGW, I > think). I used to use Cygwin, but it's so bloated it's sickening and the > installer is unfriendly to say the least (I would be satisfied with a button > that said "reasonable set of unix tools", but the minimal selection is > minimalist, not reasonable). Anyhow, Git with unix tools will get you a bash > shell that has an almost reasonable set of tools. Enough the do the work > required for this note anyway. SimH has binaries for windows to download. I > picked the one that was created 29 days ago, unzipped it, put it on the path > and it just worked. Quite a few steps in the prep required minor tweakage > (no vi, no emacs - see what I mean about minimal not being reasonable, but > notepad++ worked ok; no gunzip, but gzip -d < zipfile > unzipped worked, > perl script didn't seem to work right, not sure what that's about - may look > into it later, since I wrote it, but in the meantime I just downloaded the > tap file from the archive and it worked fine)... > > Bottom line for windows, download the tap file from the archive, create two > ini files, one for first boot, the other for normal boot and the rest of the > instructions work verbatim. > > I haven't bothered with linux, just cuz I somehow didn't, but I gather it > will probably work about as well as on the BSD's. > > Is that what you were asking, or something more subtle? > > Regards, > Will > > On 10/12/17 12:32 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: >> >> Hello! >> (If this is seen twice, then that's because Google complained that the >> mangle list wasn't accepting messages.) >> Will, has this been idea been tested on any of the platforms that the >> emulator runs on? (Not going to mention one in particular by name >> since it's sore spot around here.) >> ----- >> Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com >> "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Will Senn <will.senn at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just finished creating an updated PDF version of a blog post I did a >>> couple of years back, describing how to install and use Unix v7 in SimH. >>> It's updated for 2017 and MacOS High Sierra 10.13. I started the update >>> because I was wanting to do some research in v7 and thought it would be >>> good >>> to have a current set of instructions but really because I was interested >>> in >>> learning a bit about LaTeX and creating prettier, more useful documents. >>> The >>> notes still work fine as originally written, but I organized things a >>> little >>> differently and tweaked some of the language. I thought somebody else >>> might >>> like having a PDF version around so I uploaded the result, call it >>> revision >>> 1.1, and made it publicly accessible (the blog still needs updating, >>> somebody oughta do something about link impermanence, but that's all for >>> another day). Feel free to comment or complain. I added a section in >>> honor >>> of dmr at one commenter's suggestion. Here's the link: >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1_Jn6Hlzym-Zmx1TjR3TENDQTA >>> >>> Later, >>> >>> Will >>> >>> -- >>> GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF >>> >>> > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] New PDF version of Installing and Using Research Unix Version 7 In the SimH PDP-11/45 and 11/70 Emulators 2017-10-12 19:11 ` Gregg Levine @ 2017-10-12 20:50 ` Will Senn 2017-10-13 17:58 ` Will Senn 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Will Senn @ 2017-10-12 20:50 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 5120 bytes --] Oh, ok. I tested it on Linux Mint 18.2, just now and it works fine. No tweaks needed. I recommend installing simh from source vs sudo apt-get install simh because there have been some enhancements since 3.8.1... particularly in the 4.0-0 Beta line... If you have a c compiler and git, just: $ git clone https://github.com/simh/simh $ cd simh $ make clean $ make pdp11 $ cp BIN/pdp11 ~/bin $ pdp11 PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Beta git commit id: 247bd8d5 sim> Later, Will On 10/12/2017 02:11 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: > Hello! > I was thinking of Linux, since it and FreeBSD, and even NetBSD, are > next door neighbors of a sort. But at least it is a start. Thank you! > ----- > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." > > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Will Senn <will.senn at gmail.com> wrote: >> Gregg, >> >> I'm not sure I understand your question exactly, but as mentioned in the >> note, I tested the instructions on Mac OS X Mavericks through MacOS High >> Sierra as well as multiple flavors of FreeBSD 10-11. Your comment sparked my >> interest in trying it out on Windows (maybe that's the OS non-grata?), so I >> tested it there as well. Seems to work, although I found the experience >> distasteful in the extreme . The number of tools missing on that OS are mind >> boggling... but I did get it working. In full disclosure, I couldn't bring >> myself to run it on metal. I just ran the Windows 8.1 Enterprise >> environment in a VM running on Linux Mint 18.2 (a debian/ubuntu variant). >> >> Just so you know, I have to have a *nix like set of tools on any OS I use, >> these days, or I feel like my left arm is missing, so the minimal workable >> set for me in this case was Git with unix tools (a version on MinGW, I >> think). I used to use Cygwin, but it's so bloated it's sickening and the >> installer is unfriendly to say the least (I would be satisfied with a button >> that said "reasonable set of unix tools", but the minimal selection is >> minimalist, not reasonable). Anyhow, Git with unix tools will get you a bash >> shell that has an almost reasonable set of tools. Enough the do the work >> required for this note anyway. SimH has binaries for windows to download. I >> picked the one that was created 29 days ago, unzipped it, put it on the path >> and it just worked. Quite a few steps in the prep required minor tweakage >> (no vi, no emacs - see what I mean about minimal not being reasonable, but >> notepad++ worked ok; no gunzip, but gzip -d < zipfile > unzipped worked, >> perl script didn't seem to work right, not sure what that's about - may look >> into it later, since I wrote it, but in the meantime I just downloaded the >> tap file from the archive and it worked fine)... >> >> Bottom line for windows, download the tap file from the archive, create two >> ini files, one for first boot, the other for normal boot and the rest of the >> instructions work verbatim. >> >> I haven't bothered with linux, just cuz I somehow didn't, but I gather it >> will probably work about as well as on the BSD's. >> >> Is that what you were asking, or something more subtle? >> >> Regards, >> Will >> >> On 10/12/17 12:32 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: >>> Hello! >>> (If this is seen twice, then that's because Google complained that the >>> mangle list wasn't accepting messages.) >>> Will, has this been idea been tested on any of the platforms that the >>> emulator runs on? (Not going to mention one in particular by name >>> since it's sore spot around here.) >>> ----- >>> Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com >>> "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Will Senn <will.senn at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I just finished creating an updated PDF version of a blog post I did a >>>> couple of years back, describing how to install and use Unix v7 in SimH. >>>> It's updated for 2017 and MacOS High Sierra 10.13. I started the update >>>> because I was wanting to do some research in v7 and thought it would be >>>> good >>>> to have a current set of instructions but really because I was interested >>>> in >>>> learning a bit about LaTeX and creating prettier, more useful documents. >>>> The >>>> notes still work fine as originally written, but I organized things a >>>> little >>>> differently and tweaked some of the language. I thought somebody else >>>> might >>>> like having a PDF version around so I uploaded the result, call it >>>> revision >>>> 1.1, and made it publicly accessible (the blog still needs updating, >>>> somebody oughta do something about link impermanence, but that's all for >>>> another day). Feel free to comment or complain. I added a section in >>>> honor >>>> of dmr at one commenter's suggestion. Here's the link: >>>> >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1_Jn6Hlzym-Zmx1TjR3TENDQTA >>>> >>>> Later, >>>> >>>> Will >>>> >>>> -- >>>> GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF >>>> >>>> >> -- >> GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF >> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] New PDF version of Installing and Using Research Unix Version 7 In the SimH PDP-11/45 and 11/70 Emulators 2017-10-12 19:11 ` Gregg Levine 2017-10-12 20:50 ` Will Senn @ 2017-10-13 17:58 ` Will Senn 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Will Senn @ 2017-10-13 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi Gregg, In addition to Mint, I just confirmed the instructions work without modification on a Raspberry Pi 2 Model B (the $30 dollar pi comes with a quad core 900MHz 32 bit ARM processor with 1GB Ram and a slot for my 32 GB Micro SD for storage). I'm sure the rpi3 works, but faster (quad core 1GHz, 64 bit ARM, better design...). My system reports: uname -a Linux raspberrypi 4.9.41-v7+ #1023 SMP Tue Aug 8 16:00:15 BST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux cat /etc/debian_version 9.1 Sure, it's slower than my MacBook Pro, but that just makes it seem more realistic (pseudo realistic for sure, it's still orders of magnitude faster than a real PDP 11). Later, Will On 10/12/17 2:11 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: > Hello! > I was thinking of Linux, since it and FreeBSD, and even NetBSD, are > next door neighbors of a sort. But at least it is a start. Thank you! > ----- > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." > > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Will Senn <will.senn at gmail.com> wrote: >> Gregg, >> >> I'm not sure I understand your question exactly, but as mentioned in the >> note, I tested the instructions on Mac OS X Mavericks through MacOS High >> Sierra as well as multiple flavors of FreeBSD 10-11. Your comment sparked my >> interest in trying it out on Windows (maybe that's the OS non-grata?), so I >> tested it there as well. Seems to work, although I found the experience >> distasteful in the extreme . The number of tools missing on that OS are mind >> boggling... but I did get it working. In full disclosure, I couldn't bring >> myself to run it on metal. I just ran the Windows 8.1 Enterprise >> environment in a VM running on Linux Mint 18.2 (a debian/ubuntu variant). >> >> Just so you know, I have to have a *nix like set of tools on any OS I use, >> these days, or I feel like my left arm is missing, so the minimal workable >> set for me in this case was Git with unix tools (a version on MinGW, I >> think). I used to use Cygwin, but it's so bloated it's sickening and the >> installer is unfriendly to say the least (I would be satisfied with a button >> that said "reasonable set of unix tools", but the minimal selection is >> minimalist, not reasonable). Anyhow, Git with unix tools will get you a bash >> shell that has an almost reasonable set of tools. Enough the do the work >> required for this note anyway. SimH has binaries for windows to download. I >> picked the one that was created 29 days ago, unzipped it, put it on the path >> and it just worked. Quite a few steps in the prep required minor tweakage >> (no vi, no emacs - see what I mean about minimal not being reasonable, but >> notepad++ worked ok; no gunzip, but gzip -d < zipfile > unzipped worked, >> perl script didn't seem to work right, not sure what that's about - may look >> into it later, since I wrote it, but in the meantime I just downloaded the >> tap file from the archive and it worked fine)... >> >> Bottom line for windows, download the tap file from the archive, create two >> ini files, one for first boot, the other for normal boot and the rest of the >> instructions work verbatim. >> >> I haven't bothered with linux, just cuz I somehow didn't, but I gather it >> will probably work about as well as on the BSD's. >> >> Is that what you were asking, or something more subtle? >> >> Regards, >> Will >> >> On 10/12/17 12:32 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: >>> Hello! >>> (If this is seen twice, then that's because Google complained that the >>> mangle list wasn't accepting messages.) >>> Will, has this been idea been tested on any of the platforms that the >>> emulator runs on? (Not going to mention one in particular by name >>> since it's sore spot around here.) >>> ----- >>> Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com >>> "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Will Senn <will.senn at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I just finished creating an updated PDF version of a blog post I did a >>>> couple of years back, describing how to install and use Unix v7 in SimH. >>>> It's updated for 2017 and MacOS High Sierra 10.13. I started the update >>>> because I was wanting to do some research in v7 and thought it would be >>>> good >>>> to have a current set of instructions but really because I was interested >>>> in >>>> learning a bit about LaTeX and creating prettier, more useful documents. >>>> The >>>> notes still work fine as originally written, but I organized things a >>>> little >>>> differently and tweaked some of the language. I thought somebody else >>>> might >>>> like having a PDF version around so I uploaded the result, call it >>>> revision >>>> 1.1, and made it publicly accessible (the blog still needs updating, >>>> somebody oughta do something about link impermanence, but that's all for >>>> another day). Feel free to comment or complain. I added a section in >>>> honor >>>> of dmr at one commenter's suggestion. Here's the link: >>>> >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1_Jn6Hlzym-Zmx1TjR3TENDQTA >>>> >>>> Later, >>>> >>>> Will >>>> >>>> -- >>>> GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF >>>> >>>> >> -- >> GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF >> -- GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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