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From: Silvan Nagl <mail@53c70r.de>
To: noloader@gmail.com
Cc: wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com
Subject: Re: Wireguard not available for CentOS Stream
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 14:06:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aca7e86f-0c1b-a2c1-7508-67650c5f8806@53c70r.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH8yC8n-fC8MJxR7cA+otkqRyDZwhR7wz2Ni+-YTAgiKz7CRHA@53c70r.de>

Thank you for this information.
Since Stream is more or less like a very old Fedora version now I am
convinced using Fedora Server wont be that bad at all.

Gonna test it soon.

On 1/4/21 10:55 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 7:48 AM Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:24 AM Joe Doss <joe@solidadmin.com> wrote:
>>> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jdoss/wireguard/
>>>
>>> The official DKMS install method for CentOS has a Stream repo enabled. It
>>> should work fine. Let us know if you have any issues.
>> It's actually presently broken. I've fixed it in the master branch with:
>> https://git.zx2c4.com/wireguard-linux-compat/commit/?id=f7f55464a156e1181fa76d9c7e2fc0d495f2357e
>>
>> But Red Hat still has not fixed other bugs that will enable our CI to
>> continue, and I won't release for RHEL alone until the CI is green.
>> You can cherry pick that into your dkms package if you need. I wrote
>> Red Hat a patch and sent it, but there's been no updated kernel yet.
>>
>> More generally, I'm on the fence about how much I actually want to
>> support CentOS Stream. CentOS non-Stream is annoying, because it's
>> developed behind closed doors and is extremely slow to fix things, but
>> at least the changes are gradual and it's easy to keep up with, by
>> virtue of rarely changing. In contrast, CentOS Stream is fast moving,
>> and extremely unstable, with builds frequently breaking. This would be
>> fine and I would prefer it, since it means we can in theory get things
>> fixed reasonably fast, but actually, Stream is still developed behind
>> closed doors, with no visibility about what's going on, no
>> communication from RH on when fixes are coming out, no regular or
>> reliable release schedule, no releases for months sometimes, and just
>> a bugzilla blackbox that forces all reports to be private/secret. So,
>> unstable+secretive development makes developing for CentOS Stream
>> nearly as fun as developing for macOS, which is to say, not very fun.
> From an admin and developer perspective I find Fedora Server a real
> gem. Speaking from experience, I would much rather work on Fedora than
> CentOS or Red Hat.  Fedora Server comes with the latest stable tools
> and does not need things like Software Collections (SCL) to get a
> modern Apache, Python or PHP.
>
> Every year or so Fedora Server needs a DNF System Upgrade
> (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/dnf-system-upgrade/),
> which is like a Ubuntu dist-upgrade. I've not had one go bad since I
> started using it back around F12 or F15.
>
> If Wireguard needs to make a Red Hat-family recommendation, I think it
> would be wise to consider Fedora Server.
>
> Jeff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-01-05 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-03 20:17 Silvan Nagl
2021-01-03 21:31 ` Silvan Nagl
2021-01-04  1:24 ` Joe Doss
2021-01-04 12:47   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
     [not found]     ` <CAL0FmdWzknetT9raQcr_BhJwSWSBKPxXZocHSr2TT6bz2QihSA@mail.gmail.com>
2021-01-04 19:42       ` Joe Doss
2021-01-04 20:25         ` Bruno Wolff III
2021-01-04 21:55     ` Jeffrey Walton
2021-01-05 11:25       ` Jonathan Aquilina
2021-01-05 18:35         ` Joe Doss
2021-01-05 18:14       ` Joe Doss
     [not found]       ` <VE1PR08MB5837188C79F58A014916E123A0D10@53c70r.de>
2021-01-06  9:32         ` Silvan Nagl
     [not found]     ` <CAH8yC8n-fC8MJxR7cA+otkqRyDZwhR7wz2Ni+-YTAgiKz7CRHA@53c70r.de>
2021-01-05 13:06       ` Silvan Nagl [this message]
2021-01-05 13:56         ` Jeffrey Walton
2021-01-05 14:58           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-01-12  9:57   ` Christopher Ng

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