RE: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

RE: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Amol Deshpande]

on nt 4.0 zsh will actually look for a $USERPROFILE directory. it  may be
that
variable is not being set automatically. I don't quite know why that would
be.

If someone who has had to explicitly HOME (via the environment settings or
usrmgr)
would send me a dump of their environment from a cmd.exe prompt, I'll
try to figure out what's going on.

of course, please make sure that $ZSH_VERSION is 3.0.5-nt-beta-0.50 (or
greater).
If  the version does not contain the "nt-beta.." part, then you are probably
using 
a cygwin or u/win or interix zsh, not mine.


thanks,
-amol

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> From: 	Bart Schaefer[SMTP:schaefer@brasslantern.com]
> Sent: 	Friday, February 12, 1999 9:01 AM
> To: 	Larry P . Schrof; Trinh, Timothy
> Cc: 	'zsh-users@math.gatech.edu'
> Subject: 	Re: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0
> 
> On Feb 12,  9:49am, Larry P . Schrof wrote:
> } Subject: Re: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0
> }
> } I believe that should be called .zprofile instead of profile.zsh if you
> } want it automatically read at zsh startup. 
> 
> This part is correct.
> 
> } If the RCS option is unset, however, somewhere in /etc/zshenv, then the
> } file WON'T be read, even if it is named correctly. (I'll be honest,
> } I haven't looked at zsh on NT - functionality could be different
> } as far as what startup files are read.)
> 
> Assuming you're using Amol Deshpande's zsh port, it will indeed read the
> files \etc\zshenv, \etc\zshrc, etc. if you create a \etc directory on your
> default drive (e.g. C:\etc).
> 
> It also reads $HOME\.zshenv, $HOME\.zshrc, etc., where HOME has to be set
> in the environment by using the NT user account manager (use the option to
> assign the user a home directory, don't just add HOME to the environment).
> 
> -- 
> Bart Schaefer                                 Brass Lantern Enterprises
> http://www.well.com/user/barts              http://www.brasslantern.com
> 

RE: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Trinh, Timothy]

Hello All,

Once again I appreciated all the help that I have been given.  It was
definitely a typo problem when I place the
#!c:/bin/zsh/zsh.exe in my shell scripts.  After correcting the typo, the
shell script ran beautifully.

Thanks again to all who have taken the time to answer my questions,
Timothy


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	From:  Bart Schaefer[SMTP:schaefer@brasslantern.com]
	Sent:  Friday, February 12, 1999 11:25 PM
	To:  Trinh, Timothy; 'zsh-users@math.gatech.edu '
	Subject:  Re: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

	On Feb 12,  4:49pm, Trinh, Timothy wrote:
	} Subject: RE: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0
	}
	} Hello ALL,
	} 
	} I am not able to run shell script
	} like I do on Unix.  When I do an ls -l on the shell script, 
	} do not see any x permissions on the shell script.

	There's not really any such thing as "x permission" in NT.  Anything
with
	the right file extension (.exe, .bat, ...) has "execute permission."
I
	don't recall exactly how zsh's internal tests for executable-ness
are
	resolved in Amol's port.

	} Is there a particular way of executing the shell script via the
zsh
	} program on WinNT4.0?

	I don't believe so.

	} Do I need to name the shell script in a
	} certain way in order for it to execute?

	Zsh first attempts to let the system run the named file, and then
when
	(if) that fails it looks at it for a #! line.  So ...

	If you give the script a .exe extension, NT will try to run it as a
	binary, I think.  Not good.

	If you give it a .bat extension, it'll try to run it as a batch
file.
	That's probably even worse, as bits of the script might actually
look
	sensible enough to the batch processor to cause something to happen.

	} I have tried including the
	} following line at the beginning of the shell script:
	} 
	} #!c:/bin/zsh/zhs.exe 
	                ^^
	Did you spell "zsh.exe" correctly in the shell script?

	Otherwise I'm without clue.

	-- 
	Bart Schaefer                                 Brass Lantern
Enterprises
	http://www.well.com/user/barts
http://www.brasslantern.com
	

RE: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Amol Deshpande]

as long as the #! path at the top of the script is correct, there is no need
to create associations to run the script from within zsh/tcsh. Both these
shells do "hashbang emulation" where they will find the program to
be executed and feed it the script.



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> From: 	Chavdar Ivanov[SMTP:ci@delcam.com]
> Sent: 	Monday, February 15, 1999 5:37 AM
> To: 	Trinh, Timothy
> Cc: 	'zsh-users@math.gatech.edu'
> Subject: 	RE: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0
> 
> On Friday Trinh, Timothy gave us enlightenment about RE: Problem
> running...:
> 
> > Hello ALL,
> > 
> > I really appreciated all the suggestion I have received regarding
> setting up
> > the zsh program set up on WinNT40.
> > I am able to start up the zsh program and have it automatically source
> my
> > startup files.  Even though my zsh program 
> > is starting up properly on my WinNT4.0, I am not able to run shell
> script
> > like I do on Unix.  When I do an ls -l on the shell script, 
> > do not see any x permissions on the shell script.  When I chmod a+x
> <shell
> > script name>, I still do not see the x permissions on the 
> > shell script.  Is there a particular way of executing the shell script
> via
> > the zsh program on WinNT4.0?  Do I need to name the shell script in a
> > certain way in order for it to execute?  I have tried including the
> > following line at the beginning of the shell script:
> > 
> > #!c:/bin/zsh/zhs.exe 
> > 
> > Executing the shell script with the above line in it, I get the
> following
> > error: zsh: exec format error: <shell script name>.
> > 
> > Any suggestions and comments are greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Timothy
> > 
> > PS:  Larry S.: Are there any other arguments I should be aware of in
> running
> > the zsh program?
> > 
> > 	----------
> > 
> 
> Use Explorer to associate files with extension, i.e., .zsh, with the zsh.
> I have two actions associated with it - Edit and Run; Edit invokes pfe32
> on the script, Run just runs it ( you point to your current zsh.exe
> location for this to work ). 
> 
> From CMD you can run zsh scripts by specifying the extension:
> 
> C:\ >  script.zsh
> 
> The trouble now is you apparently can not pass any parameters to the
> script, therefore you might resolve to using 'read' for them in the script
> itself.  Any ideas here?
> 
> 
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> 
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RE: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Trinh, Timothy]

Hello ALL,

I really appreciated all the suggestion I have received regarding setting up
the zsh program set up on WinNT40.
I am able to start up the zsh program and have it automatically source my
startup files.  Even though my zsh program 
is starting up properly on my WinNT4.0, I am not able to run shell script
like I do on Unix.  When I do an ls -l on the shell script, 
do not see any x permissions on the shell script.  When I chmod a+x <shell
script name>, I still do not see the x permissions on the 
shell script.  Is there a particular way of executing the shell script via
the zsh program on WinNT4.0?  Do I need to name the shell script in a
certain way in order for it to execute?  I have tried including the
following line at the beginning of the shell script:

#!c:/bin/zsh/zhs.exe 

Executing the shell script with the above line in it, I get the following
error: zsh: exec format error: <shell script name>.

Any suggestions and comments are greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Timothy

PS:  Larry S.: Are there any other arguments I should be aware of in running
the zsh program?

	----------

Re: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Bart Schaefer]

On Feb 12,  4:49pm, Trinh, Timothy wrote:
} Subject: RE: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0
}
} Hello ALL,
} 
} I am not able to run shell script
} like I do on Unix.  When I do an ls -l on the shell script, 
} do not see any x permissions on the shell script.

There's not really any such thing as "x permission" in NT.  Anything with
the right file extension (.exe, .bat, ...) has "execute permission."  I
don't recall exactly how zsh's internal tests for executable-ness are
resolved in Amol's port.

} Is there a particular way of executing the shell script via the zsh
} program on WinNT4.0?

I don't believe so.

} Do I need to name the shell script in a
} certain way in order for it to execute?

Zsh first attempts to let the system run the named file, and then when
(if) that fails it looks at it for a #! line.  So ...

If you give the script a .exe extension, NT will try to run it as a
binary, I think.  Not good.

If you give it a .bat extension, it'll try to run it as a batch file.
That's probably even worse, as bits of the script might actually look
sensible enough to the batch processor to cause something to happen.

} I have tried including the
} following line at the beginning of the shell script:
} 
} #!c:/bin/zsh/zhs.exe 
                ^^
Did you spell "zsh.exe" correctly in the shell script?

Otherwise I'm without clue.

-- 
Bart Schaefer                                 Brass Lantern Enterprises
http://www.well.com/user/barts              http://www.brasslantern.com

RE: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Chavdar Ivanov]

On Friday Trinh, Timothy gave us enlightenment about RE: Problem running...:

> Hello ALL,
> 
> I really appreciated all the suggestion I have received regarding setting up
> the zsh program set up on WinNT40.
> I am able to start up the zsh program and have it automatically source my
> startup files.  Even though my zsh program 
> is starting up properly on my WinNT4.0, I am not able to run shell script
> like I do on Unix.  When I do an ls -l on the shell script, 
> do not see any x permissions on the shell script.  When I chmod a+x <shell
> script name>, I still do not see the x permissions on the 
> shell script.  Is there a particular way of executing the shell script via
> the zsh program on WinNT4.0?  Do I need to name the shell script in a
> certain way in order for it to execute?  I have tried including the
> following line at the beginning of the shell script:
> 
> #!c:/bin/zsh/zhs.exe 
> 
> Executing the shell script with the above line in it, I get the following
> error: zsh: exec format error: <shell script name>.
> 
> Any suggestions and comments are greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Timothy
> 
> PS:  Larry S.: Are there any other arguments I should be aware of in running
> the zsh program?
> 
> 	----------
> 

Use Explorer to associate files with extension, i.e., .zsh, with the zsh.
I have two actions associated with it - Edit and Run; Edit invokes pfe32
on the script, Run just runs it ( you point to your current zsh.exe
location for this to work ). 

>From CMD you can run zsh scripts by specifying the extension:

C:\ >  script.zsh

The trouble now is you apparently can not pass any parameters to the
script, therefore you might resolve to using 'read' for them in the script
itself.  Any ideas here?


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----------------------------------------------------------------
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RE: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Trinh, Timothy]

Thanks again that did the trick.  

As for my other problem, I looked at the .zshrc for a while and noticed that
there is a command called setopt.  So, I put the following
line in my .zshrc file:

setopt winntconvertbackslash

This did not solve the problem of the back slashes in window's environment
variable.

Instead of using the $HOMEDRIVE$HOMEPATH, I just specify as the path
explicitly.  So now, I just have the following line in my
.zprofile:

export MY_OUTPUT_DIR=e:/jobs/$USERNAME  (since $USERNAME contains on
backslashes, I avoid the problem entirely)

It would be nice to have this resolve in case I have to actually use the
window's environment variable which contains backslashes.

Thanks again for all your help,
Timothy

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	From:  Larry P . Schrof[SMTP:schrof@cig.mot.com]
	Sent:  Friday, February 12, 1999 11:40 AM
	To:  Trinh, Timothy
	Cc:  'jr@scms.rgu.ac.uk'; 'zsh-users@math.gatech.edu'; 'Bart
Schaefer'; Larry P . Schrof
	Subject:  Re: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

	On Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 11:23:54AM -0800, Trinh, Timothy wrote:

	> When I set my window's HOME environment variable to
%HOMEDRIVE%HOMEPATH,
	> this allowed the zsh program to 
	> automatically source in my .zshrc (located in HOME), but not my
profile
	> file(also located in HOME).  I tried renaming the profile file to
.zprofile,
	> .profile, and profile.zsh, but it still did not source in my
profile file.

	In order for the .zprofile to be read, it hss to be a login shell.
	Try invoking zsh with a -l argument and see if that helps.

	- Larry
	

RE: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Trinh, Timothy]

When I set my window's HOME environment variable to %HOMEDRIVE%HOMEPATH,
this allowed the zsh program to 
automatically source in my .zshrc (located in HOME), but not my profile
file(also located in HOME).  I tried renaming the profile file to .zprofile,
.profile, and profile.zsh, but it still did not source in my profile file.
As a workaround, I placed the following line in my .zshrc file to source in 
the profile file:

source $HOMEDRIVE$HOMEPATH/<profile file name>

If there is a better way of than what I have done, let me know.

One other thing, whenever I export a variable to a path which contain the
windows environment variable that contain backslashes, 
this messes up the variable.  Here is an example of what I mean:

export MY_OUTPUT_DIR="$HOMEDRIVE$HOMEPATH/output"  (I have something like
this in my profile file)

The window's environment variable $HOMEDRIVE returns e: and $HOMEPATH
returns \job\timothy
When you echo MY_OUTPUT_DIR, you get a broken path of some sort.  The broken
path is probably caused by the backslashes.  
If you cd MY_OUTPUT_DIR, you get a error message which states:  "cd: no such
file or directory: e:\job\timothy/output"
What do I need to do to have the zsh program interpret those backslashes as
forward slashes?  

I have read the readme file that comes along with the zsh application
regarding the problem above and this is what it says:

NT-specific setopts:
------------------
* winntignorecase: ignore case in completions
* winntlamepathfix: convert the PATH environment variable back to 
   '\'-delimited instead of  '/'-delimited when each child process is
forked.

* winntnoassociations: Do not try applications associated with extensions
                   if exec() fails.

* winntconvertbackslash: Convert backslashes to '/' when comparing named
        directories etc. May be useful if you derive HOME from '\'-delimited

        environment variables

It was nice to know this stuff, but it does not say anything about how to
implement it.
I am not sure what NT-specific setopts are and what and where I can deal
with them.

Any help is greatly appreciated and thanks for all the help you have given
me thus far.

Thanks again,
Timothy


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	From:  jr@scms.rgu.ac.uk[SMTP:jr@scms.rgu.ac.uk]
	Sent:  Friday, February 12, 1999 1:03 AM
	To:  timothy.trinh@mccaw.com
	Subject:  Re: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

	>I have just recently installed the zsh program on my WinNT 4.0.  It
runs
	>just fine, but each time it starts up, it does not source my
profile file.
	>I always have to source in the my profile manaually(.
./profile.zsh).  Is
	>there some way were I have my profile sourced in when I start the
program?

	I believe you have to have HOME set before zsh can find your
.profile file.  
	Check the FAQ, there should be some info there.

	-- 
	John Riddoch	Email: jr@scms.rgu.ac.uk	Telephone:
(01224)262730
	Room C4, School of Computer and Mathematical Science
	Robert Gordon University, Aberdeen, AB25 1HG
	I am Homer of Borg. Resistance is Fu... Ooooh! Donuts!
	

Re: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Larry P . Schrof]

On Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 11:23:54AM -0800, Trinh, Timothy wrote:

> When I set my window's HOME environment variable to %HOMEDRIVE%HOMEPATH,
> this allowed the zsh program to 
> automatically source in my .zshrc (located in HOME), but not my profile
> file(also located in HOME).  I tried renaming the profile file to .zprofile,
> .profile, and profile.zsh, but it still did not source in my profile file.

In order for the .zprofile to be read, it hss to be a login shell.
Try invoking zsh with a -l argument and see if that helps.

- Larry

Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Trinh, Timothy]

Hello all,

I have just recently installed the zsh program on my WinNT 4.0.  It runs
just fine, but each time it starts up, it does not source my profile file.
I always have to source in the my profile manaually(. ./profile.zsh).  Is
there some way were I have my profile sourced in when I start the program?

Any comments or ideas regarding this delimma is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Timothy

Re: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Larry P . Schrof]

I believe that should be called .zprofile instead of profile.zsh if you
want it automatically read at zsh startup. 

If the RCS option is unset, however, somewhere in /etc/zshenv, then the
file WON'T be read, even if it is named correctly. (I'll be honest,
I haven't looked at zsh on NT - functionality could be different
as far as what startup files are read.)

- Larry

On Thu, Feb 11, 1999 at 05:55:14PM -0800, Trinh, Timothy wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I have just recently installed the zsh program on my WinNT 4.0.  It runs
> just fine, but each time it starts up, it does not source my profile file.
> I always have to source in the my profile manaually(. ./profile.zsh).  Is
> there some way were I have my profile sourced in when I start the program?
> 
> Any comments or ideas regarding this delimma is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Timothy

Re: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0

[Bart Schaefer]

On Feb 12,  9:49am, Larry P . Schrof wrote:
} Subject: Re: Problem running zsh on WinNT 4.0
}
} I believe that should be called .zprofile instead of profile.zsh if you
} want it automatically read at zsh startup. 

This part is correct.

} If the RCS option is unset, however, somewhere in /etc/zshenv, then the
} file WON'T be read, even if it is named correctly. (I'll be honest,
} I haven't looked at zsh on NT - functionality could be different
} as far as what startup files are read.)

Assuming you're using Amol Deshpande's zsh port, it will indeed read the
files \etc\zshenv, \etc\zshrc, etc. if you create a \etc directory on your
default drive (e.g. C:\etc).

It also reads $HOME\.zshenv, $HOME\.zshrc, etc., where HOME has to be set
in the environment by using the NT user account manager (use the option to
assign the user a home directory, don't just add HOME to the environment).

-- 
Bart Schaefer                                 Brass Lantern Enterprises
http://www.well.com/user/barts              http://www.brasslantern.com