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From: Stephane Chazelas <stephane.chazelas@gmail.com>
To: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
Cc: Zsh hackers list <zsh-workers@zsh.org>
Subject: Re: "echo | ps -j $(:) | cat | cat | cat" runs components in different process groups
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 08:00:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180325070053.GB5782@chaz.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <180324152357.ZM32580@torch.brasslantern.com>

2018-03-24 15:23:57 -0700, Bart Schaefer:
> On Mar 24,  5:34pm, Stephane Chazelas wrote:
> } Subject: Re: "echo | ps -j $(:) | cat | cat | cat" runs components in diff
> }
> } Bart explained that it was because zsh uses the first spawned
> } process (here to run a builtin) for the process group, makes
> } other processes, that first process has already returned and has
> } been waited for so zsh can't make the other processes join the
> } foreground process group.
> } 
> } I think here, zsh should not wait for that process until all the
> } processes in the jobs have been started and joined the process
> } group if that's what from a now-zombie process.
> 
> That's going to require a lot of mucking about, because currently
> all process reaping is done in signal handlers.  The shell only
> explicitly waits for the rightmost process in a pipeline.  The
> SIGCHLD can't be blocked because then the exit of $(cat) in the
> second pipe step could not be captured, so the handler *will* be
> called when "echo" exits.
[...]

Note that the fact that in

a | b $(c) | D

The $(c) is done by the top-level process, that c is a child of
the top-level shell process as opposed to the process that will
eventually execute b is unique to zsh (and is complicating
things here).

That also causes some surprises like in 

$ set +o multios
$ (sleep 1; echo A >&2) | echo B $(sleep 2) >&2 | echo C
A
B
C

("echo C" not started before "sleep 2" finishes) or:

Or (though some would find the zsh behaviour less surprising):

$ n=1; echo $((++n)) >&2 | echo $((++n)) >&2 | echo $n
2
3
3

(2, 2, 1 in any order in other shells)

See also:

$ set +o multios
$ echo A >&2 | echo $((+)) | echo B
A
zsh: bad math expression: operand expected at end of string
[1]    done       echo A >&2

"echo A" run but not "echo B" and message about a background
job returning.

$ sleep 10 | echo $((+)) | echo B
zsh: bad math expression: operand expected at end of string
$ jobs
[1]    running    sleep 10
$ fg
fg: no current job # fg %1 works
$
[1]    done       sleep 10

IIRC, that was discussed not so long ago on the austin-group
mailing list (which process should perform the expansions in
pipelines) though I didn't follow the discussion.

-- 
Stephane


  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-25  7:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-23 16:16 Stephane Chazelas
2018-03-23 23:36 ` Bart Schaefer
2018-03-24  5:19   ` Bart Schaefer
2018-03-24  8:05     ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-03-24 17:34       ` Stephane Chazelas
2018-03-24 22:23         ` Bart Schaefer
2018-03-25  7:00           ` Stephane Chazelas [this message]
2018-03-25  8:26             ` Stephane Chazelas
2018-03-25  7:48           ` Stephane Chazelas
2018-03-25 18:09             ` Stephane Chazelas
2018-03-27 10:17         ` Stephane Chazelas
2018-03-24 22:09       ` Bart Schaefer
2018-04-10 11:45         ` Peter Stephenson
2018-04-10 13:59           ` Peter Stephenson
2018-04-11 22:10             ` Bart Schaefer
2018-04-12 16:23               ` Peter Stephenson
2018-04-15 16:23                 ` Stephane Chazelas
2018-04-15 17:38                   ` Bart Schaefer
2018-04-15 18:58                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2018-04-17  5:39                       ` Bart Schaefer
2018-04-17  9:19                         ` Peter Stephenson
2018-04-17 16:09                           ` Bart Schaefer
2018-04-17 16:27                             ` Bart Schaefer
2018-04-17 16:35                             ` Peter Stephenson
2018-04-17 17:52                               ` Bart Schaefer
2018-04-19  9:40                                 ` Peter Stephenson
2018-04-20  9:28                                   ` Forking earlier for background code Peter Stephenson
2018-04-20 10:01                                     ` Peter Stephenson
2018-04-20 12:54                                       ` Vin Shelton
     [not found]                                         ` <CGME20180420132008eucas1p1c297624e870975cd892c74254970faab@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2018-04-20 13:20                                           ` Peter Stephenson
2018-04-20 16:01                                             ` Vin Shelton
2018-04-23  8:29                                     ` Peter Stephenson
2018-05-01  9:23                                       ` Peter Stephenson
     [not found]                                   ` <F3A62E38-24E2-4A62-8E19-F54C9B81E9E5@kba.biglobe.ne.jp>
2018-04-23 13:52                                     ` "echo | ps -j $(:) | cat | cat | cat" runs components in different process groups Peter Stephenson
2018-04-23 14:03                                       ` Peter Stephenson
     [not found]                                         ` <CGME20180423140859eucas1p2591bf1422614209979d4890383268c37@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2018-04-23 14:08                                           ` Peter Stephenson
2018-04-23 15:29                                         ` Jun T.
2018-04-18  6:29                           ` Stephane Chazelas
2018-04-18 16:33                             ` Bart Schaefer
2018-04-10  9:53   ` Peter Stephenson
2018-03-25  7:38 ` Stephane Chazelas

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