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From: "Bart Schaefer" <schaefer@candle.brasslantern.com>
To: "Clinton Bunch" <cdbunch@bansai.ucs.uoknor.edu>,
	zsh-users@math.gatech.edu, zsh-workers@math.gatech.edu
Cc: steve.coltrin@okway.okstate.edu
Subject: Re: Builtin append() and prepend() to PATH, CDPATH, etc.
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:54:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <960610125413.ZM21268@candle.brasslantern.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: "Clinton Bunch" <cdbunch@bansai.ucs.uoknor.edu> "Re: Builtin append() and prepend() to PATH, CDPATH, etc." (Jun 10,  2:22pm)

On Jun 10,  2:22pm, Clinton Bunch wrote:
} Subject: Re: Builtin append() and prepend() to PATH, CDPATH, etc.
}
} On Jun 5,  2:25pm, Bart Schaefer wrote:
} 
} >
} > } >zsh 4.0:
} > } >
} > } >1.  wzsh (windowing zsh) is now available.  Also, zsh now has colour
} > } >    and menu capabilities on text only terminals.
} > }
} > } It has colour capabilities to some extent: you can put colour sequences
} > } into prompts quite easily.  I don't see any advantage in having zsh use
} > } windows in any way.
} >
} > I tend to agree.  At this point you've rewritten emacs.  Just *get* emacs,
} > and run zsh in a shell buffer.
} 
} 	Wrong.  At this point, you've written a shell whose scripts can use
} GUI objects to interact with end users.

Exactly what kind of "GUI objects" are we talking about here?  The only
thing the phrase "windowing zsh" conjures in my mind is something that
looks like a bunch of xterms each running a shell.

It sounds to me like you want wish (the tcl/tk shell).  I don't think
it's appropriate to bloat zsh with a GUI-object-description language.
You can launch wish GUIs from $(...) if you need to feed the results
back into zsh (or any other shell).

} If emacs can do that, it shouldn't.

GNU emacs has an X11 GUI, which can have either Xaw or Motif appearance.
Within that UI, you can have multiple windows (emacs calls them "frames")
each of which shows one or more buffers and has a menu bar that changes
depending on what buffer has focus.  So any GUI object that can be
represented as a pulldown menu or as a prompt with optional text input,
you can construct with elisp.

Whether it "should" do that isn't a topic for this mailing list.

} And, as importantly (at least to some of us), you've written a replacement
} for one of the proprietary components of CDE.

??  Are you sure it's proprietary?

-- 
Bart Schaefer                             Brass Lantern Enterprises
http://www.well.com/user/barts            http://www.nbn.com/people/lantern

New male in /home/schaefer:
>N  2 Justin William Schaefer  Sat May 11 03:43  53/4040  "Happy Birthday"



  reply	other threads:[~1996-06-10 20:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-04-10 10:31 History file locking? Russell Senior
1996-04-10 12:12 ` Zefram
1996-04-10 12:41   ` Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-04-10 12:50     ` Zefram
1996-04-10 21:21       ` Zoltan Hidvegi
     [not found]       ` <A.Main@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
1996-04-10 16:26         ` Barton E. Schaefer
1996-04-10 17:08           ` Anthony Heading
     [not found]             ` <aheading@jpmorgan.com>
1996-04-10 17:12               ` Barton E. Schaefer
1996-04-10 18:03                 ` Anthony Heading
1996-06-05 21:25         ` Builtin append() and prepend() to PATH, CDPATH, etc Bart Schaefer
     [not found]           ` <schaefer@candle.brasslantern.com>
1996-06-10 19:22             ` Clinton Bunch
1996-06-10 19:54               ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
1996-06-10 20:24                 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1996-06-10 20:58             ` Clinton Bunch
1996-06-24 18:26             ` BUG: useheap in doexpandhist() Barton E. Schaefer
1996-06-24 19:11               ` Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-06-24 21:20                 ` Barton E. Schaefer
1996-06-25  0:01                   ` Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-06-25  0:22                     ` Barton E. Schaefer
1996-07-23 20:01             ` Bug in case stmt with '(' Morris M. Siegel
1996-07-23 21:55               ` Bart Schaefer
1996-07-24  8:29                 ` Zefram
1996-07-24  9:52                 ` Peter Stephenson
1996-07-24 11:10         ` Bart Schaefer
1996-07-24 14:16           ` Zoltan Hidvegi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-27 19:54 comptest* failed to load module: zsh/termcap Peter Whaite
2001-04-28  6:10 ` Bart Schaefer
2001-04-28  8:55   ` Andrej Borsenkow
2001-04-30 15:44     ` Peter Whaite
2001-04-30 16:30       ` Bart Schaefer
2001-04-30 16:47         ` Andrej Borsenkow
2001-04-30 17:16           ` PATCH: " Bart Schaefer
2001-04-30 18:54         ` Peter Whaite
2001-04-30 19:12           ` Bart Schaefer
2001-04-30 15:32   ` Peter Whaite
1997-01-31 10:47 history-search-backward Peter Stephenson
1997-01-31 12:16 ` history-search-backward Zefram
1997-01-31 12:42   ` history-search-backward Peter Stephenson
1997-01-31 15:02     ` history-search-backward Bart Schaefer
1997-01-31 15:23       ` history-search-backward Vinnie Shelton
1997-01-31 19:02     ` history-search-backward Zoltan Hidvegi
1997-01-31 19:13 ` history-search-backward Wayne Davison
1996-12-13  2:30 fifo configure check Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-10-31 14:41 Parameter expansion bug? Anthony Heading
1996-10-31 15:13 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1996-10-31 16:12 ` Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-10-31 20:49   ` Anthony Heading
     [not found] <17651.199607222123@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
1996-07-23 14:08 ` Bug in case stmt with '(' Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-07-23 16:25   ` Bart Schaefer
1996-06-22 20:12 BUG: useheap in doexpandhist() Bart Schaefer
1996-06-02 17:59 Builtin append() and prepend() to PATH, CDPATH, etc Fung-Chai Lim
1996-06-02 21:26 ` Zoltan Hidvegi
     [not found]   ` <1062.199606041027@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
1996-03-12 19:03 Buffered stderr on Linux Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-03-12 19:24 ` Bart Schaefer
1996-03-12 20:26   ` Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-03-12 23:17   ` Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-03-13  0:16     ` Steven L Baur
     [not found]     ` <hzoli@cs.elte.hu>
1996-03-16 18:46       ` Bart Schaefer
1996-04-10 21:41       ` History file locking? Barton E. Schaefer
1996-04-10 22:16         ` Daniel Dignam
1996-06-26 13:51       ` Use of qualifiers without glob pattern? Bart Schaefer
1996-06-26 14:01         ` Regression tests Bas V. de Bakker
1996-06-26 14:52         ` Use of qualifiers without glob pattern? Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-06-26 15:54           ` Bart Schaefer
1996-06-27  1:03             ` Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-10-31 16:55       ` Parameter expansion bug? Bart Schaefer
1996-10-31 16:57         ` Hrvoje Niksic
1996-10-31 17:04         ` Zoltan Hidvegi
1996-10-31 17:47           ` Bart Schaefer
1996-12-13  3:37       ` fifo configure check Bart Schaefer
1996-12-13  8:58         ` fifo configure check (seems to work here: Solaris 2.4) C. v. Stuckrad
1996-12-13 14:44         ` fifo configure check Zefram
1996-12-13 17:33           ` Zoltan Hidvegi
     [not found]       ` <wayne@clari.net>
1997-01-31 22:01         ` history-search-backward Bart Schaefer

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