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From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>,
	Zsh hackers list <zsh-workers@zsh.org>
Subject: Re: Up-scope named references, vs. ksh
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 23:29:35 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH+w=7aAHb5qc2ZmjgKPKw0vX4sFRpPhdKhYtfMuFGQK0L2qxA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH+w=7YAgtUDrrgrDedVpq478ow7S=Renj+rjs0ZF6ZFTqP5OQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 9:16 PM Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com> wrote:
>
> it's akin to attempting to allocate new space in your caller's stack
> frame in C (except there's one stack for each parameter name).

On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 12:34 PM Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com> wrote:
>
> zsh uses dynamic scoping, and ksh also has special handling of
> "typeset -n ref=$1" (and other positionals) that is simply never going
> to happen in zsh.

How about this:  Instead of magically turning a positional into a
reference into the surrounding scope, let's make it explicit.

I propose that when the -u flag is combined with the -n flag, the
named reference refers to the enclosing scope, even if there's a local
of that name already in scope.  Otherwise (without -u) normal dynamic
scoping applies.  So in an example like this:

y () {
  typeset $1=Y
  typeset -nu upref=$1
  upref=UP
  echo In y:
  typeset -p $1
}
z () {
  local var
  y var
  echo In z:
  typeset -p var
}

The output would be:

In y:
typeset var=Y
In z:
typeset var=UP

However, there's no good way around the stack problem, so removing the
declaration in z --

z () {
  y var
  echo In z:
  typeset -p var
}

-- will cause an error at the "upref=UP" assignment in y.  Or that
assignment could just silently fail, which already happens in a couple
of existing tests.  The decision on that probably rests on what to do
with prefix assignments, e.g., if it's an error then

upref=UP /bin/echo bad

would print a message and not execute at all.  If instead the
assignment does nothing but set $?, then /bin/echo will execute and
its status will determine $?.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-02  7:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-06  2:21 [PATCH 1/3]: Add named references Bart Schaefer
2023-02-08  3:45 ` Oliver Kiddle
2023-02-08  4:59   ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-08 23:16     ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-09  0:47     ` Oliver Kiddle
2023-02-09  2:01       ` Oliver Kiddle
2023-02-09  5:45         ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-09  4:49       ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-09 20:49         ` Oliver Kiddle
2023-02-09 23:07           ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-11  3:04             ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-11  3:55               ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-11  5:36                 ` Speaking of dangerous referents Bart Schaefer
2023-02-12  8:00                   ` Oliver Kiddle
2023-02-12  8:34                     ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-11  7:02               ` [PATCH 1/3]: Add named references Oliver Kiddle
2023-02-11  7:45                 ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-11 23:43                   ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-11 23:45                     ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-12  7:38                     ` Oliver Kiddle
2024-02-11  7:00                   ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-02-11 16:14                     ` Bart Schaefer
2024-02-11 16:42                       ` Bart Schaefer
2024-02-18  3:26                       ` Up-scope named references, vs. ksh Bart Schaefer
2024-02-20 21:05                         ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-02-20 22:30                           ` Bart Schaefer
2024-02-21 20:12                             ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-02-29  5:16                               ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-01 18:22                                 ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-03-01 20:34                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-02  7:29                                     ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
2024-03-02 23:55                                       ` [PATCH] "typeset -nu" (was Re: Up-scope named references, vs. ksh) Bart Schaefer
2024-03-01 23:28                                   ` Up-scope named references, vs. ksh Bart Schaefer
2024-03-03 13:44                                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-03-03 19:04                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-03 20:27                                         ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-03-03 22:58                                           ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-04 19:59                                             ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-03-05  1:05                                             ` Oliver Kiddle
2024-03-05  2:53                                               ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-05  5:43                                                 ` Mikael Magnusson
2024-03-05  6:30                                                   ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-03-06  5:04                                                     ` [PATCH] local vs. nameref scoping (was Re: Up-scope named references, vs. ksh) Bart Schaefer
2023-02-12  9:02             ` [PATCH 1/3]: Add named references Oliver Kiddle
2023-02-12 18:59               ` Bart Schaefer
2023-02-12 19:45                 ` PM_* flags in zsh.h (was Re: [PATCH 1/3]: Add named references) Bart Schaefer
2023-02-12 21:01                   ` Oliver Kiddle
2023-02-12 22:54                 ` [PATCH 1/3]: Add named references Oliver Kiddle

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