[9fans] tab stop poll

[9fans] tab stop poll

[Brantley Coile]

Just a quick poll.  Who doesn't leave the tabstop set to 4
please email me.  I'll summarize to the list if people
want.  Just curious if there is a defacto standard on this.

 Brantley

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Geoff Collyer]

I use tabstop=8.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[boyd, rounin]

man, a tab is a tab.

if the line slops, then it's too complex.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Brantley Coile]

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I'll put you down as a tabstop=4 then.  Thank you for playing. :)

 Brantley

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From: "boyd, rounin" <boyd@insultant.net>
To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] tab stop poll
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 00:07:33 +0100
Message-ID: <00d701c40306$a727b160$67844051@SOMA>

man, a tab is a tab.

if the line slops, then it's too complex.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[dbailey27]

> if the line slops, then it's too complex.

Exaaactly. But, I still hate seeing all that leading whitespace.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Scott Schwartz]

I don't change the tabstops from the default.
At the same time, I don't think the tab key
should necessarily insert a ctrl-I character.
The editor could compute the right number of
spaces to insert, and avoid the issue.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Charles Forsyth]

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but that doesn't avoid the issue!  it often triggers it!
oh no, i don't want to go back to being ded, ded, ded.

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From: Scott Schwartz <schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] tab stop poll
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 18:42:32 -0500
Message-ID: <20040305234232.27003.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu>

I don't change the tabstops from the default.
At the same time, I don't think the tab key
should necessarily insert a ctrl-I character.
The editor could compute the right number of
spaces to insert, and avoid the issue.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[boyd, rounin]

> oh no, i don't want to go back to being ded, ded, ded.

you used 'ded'?

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[rog]

> you used 'ded'?

ded was the second editor i ever learnt under unix (after ed).

i remember getting very confused when i was trying to learn
make, and none of my makefiles worked...

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Dave Lukes]

> ded was the second editor i ever learnt under unix (after ed).
> 
> i remember getting very confused when i was trying to learn
> make, and none of my makefiles worked...

Now, be fair: there was a special hack to replace leading spaces
with tabs if the file being written was called [Mm]akefile.

Pass the emetic.
	Dave.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[rog]

> Now, be fair: there was a special hack to replace leading spaces
> with tabs if the file being written was called [Mm]akefile.

not in the version i used (in '87)

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Martin C.Atkins]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:28:26 0000 rog@vitanuova.com wrote:
> > Now, be fair: there was a special hack to replace leading spaces
> > with tabs if the file being written was called [Mm]akefile.
> 
> not in the version i used (in '87)
> 
and it didn't work for file.mk, etc...

ded is what made me learn vi - I'm sorry to admit!

Martin

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Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Dave Lukes]

> ded is what made me learn vi - I'm sorry to admit!

Why "sorry"?  I did the same!

Dave.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[boyd, rounin]

> Why "sorry"?  I did the same!

i saw ded, but avoided it.  went from 'em' to 'qed' to 'vi'.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Dave Lukes]

> oh no, i don't want to go back to being ded, ded, ded.

I don't think our trans-Atlantic/Pacific cousins will understand
that reference to the Great Gods Thimbleby and Bornat.

	Dave.

> From: Scott Schwartz <schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu>
...
> The editor could compute the right number of
> spaces to insert, and avoid the issue.

... and the "right" number is ...?

:-)
	Dave.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Geoff Collyer]

I know who Bornat is: Richard Bornat, author of Understanding and
Writing Compilers, published by Macmillan and now tragically
unavailable, the finest book on compiler-writing ever written
(ignoring the incorrect figures).  So does Laura Creighton and Henry
Spencer and Ian Darwin, all Canadians.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Dave Lukes]

Well, funnily enough,
I met Bornat many years ago, and I was so put off by his arrogance
that I never read the book!

Also,
he was working on a lightweight pascal-based distributed OS ...

	Dave.

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 00:41, Geoff Collyer wrote:
> I know who Bornat is: Richard Bornat, author of Understanding and
> Writing Compilers, published by Macmillan and now tragically
> unavailable, the finest book on compiler-writing ever written
> (ignoring the incorrect figures).  So does Laura Creighton and Henry
> Spencer and Ian Darwin, all Canadians.
> 

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[boyd, rounin]

> I don't think our trans-Atlantic/Pacific cousins will understand
> that reference to the Great Gods Thimbleby and Bornat.

i've used ded

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Dave Lukes]

> i've used ded

Ahh!  The great ded!

You try explaining to someone that
"Yes, it'll match a regexp longer than a line,
 but not one longer than a screen"!?!

	Dave.

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[boyd, rounin]

> Ahh!  The great ded!

with a t106[12]

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Joel Salomon]

Dave Lukes said:
>> The editor could compute the right number of
>> spaces to insert, and avoid the issue.
>
> ... and the "right" number is ...?
>

42? Just guessing...


--Joel

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[boyd, rounin]

> 42? Just guessing...

0x80

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[Nigel Roles]

9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu wrote:
> but that doesn't avoid the issue!  it often triggers it!
> oh no, i don't want to go back to being ded, ded, ded.

Ded (a wonderfully prophetic name) was proved
correct wasn't it? Doesn't that make it's behaviour
definitive?

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Jon Snader]

On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 06:42:32PM -0500, Scott Schwartz wrote:
> I don't change the tabstops from the default.
> At the same time, I don't think the tab key
> should necessarily insert a ctrl-I character.
> The editor could compute the right number of
> spaces to insert, and avoid the issue.

I respectfully disagree.  Not everyone likes the same value
for tabstop.  Some insist it should be 4, some 2, and others
8.  Doubtless there are folks out there with other choices.
By using the ctrl-I character, people can have the text
formatted to their own tastes.  (Yes I understand this can
cause line wrapping, but at least people have a choice, and
the choice works out pretty well in most cases).

jcs

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[David Tolpin]

> > I don't change the tabstops from the default.
> > At the same time, I don't think the tab key
> > should necessarily insert a ctrl-I character.
> > The editor could compute the right number of
> > spaces to insert, and avoid the issue.
>
> I respectfully disagree.  Not everyone likes the same value
> for tabstop.  Some insist it should be 4, some 2, and others
> 8.  Doubtless there are folks out there with other choices.

I have just found a very thoughtful a detailed explanation of the
proper choice of tab width at the following URL:

http://www.jaffebros.com/lee/gulliver/bk1/chap1-4.html

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[dbailey27]

> Just a quick poll.  Who doesn't leave the tabstop set to 4
> please email me.  I'll summarize to the list if people
> want.  Just curious if there is a defacto standard on this.

I even use ':set tabstop=4' obsessively in vi. 

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[fst]

>  even use ':set tabstop=4' obsessively in vi. 

Allow me to get on my high and mighty horse...

term% man vi

 VI(1)                                                       VI(1)

     NAME
          0i, 5i, ki, vi - instruction simulators

     SYNOPSIS
          vi [ textfile ]
          vi pid
          0i [ textfile ]
          0i pid
          5i [ textfile ]
          5i pid
          ki [ textfile ]
          ki pid

     DESCRIPTION
          Vi simulates the execution of a MIPS binary in a Plan 9
...

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Dave Turner]

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:02:35 GMT, you wrote:

>Just a quick poll.  Who doesn't leave the tabstop set to 4
>please email me.  I'll summarize to the list if people
>want.  Just curious if there is a defacto standard on this.
>

I like tabstop=8.

Regards,

Dave

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Brantley Coile]

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Thanks.

  Brantley

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From: Dave Turner <dmturner@primenet.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] tab stop poll
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 18:08:58 -0700
Message-ID: <g49i401fg8erfcl9700h1dnlevsptd63o8@4ax.com>

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:02:35 GMT, you wrote:

>Just a quick poll.  Who doesn't leave the tabstop set to 4
>please email me.  I'll summarize to the list if people
>want.  Just curious if there is a defacto standard on this.
>

I like tabstop=8.

Regards,

Dave

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[bs]

tabstop = 4

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[boyd, rounin]

> tabstop = 4

the horror, the horror ...

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[bs]

boyd, rounin wrote:
>>tabstop = 4
> 
> 
> the horror, the horror ...
> 
if the intent of the indent is clarity, 4 is enough for me...

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[matt]

I like tabstop=0x09

down with spaces !

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[vdharani]

> Just a quick poll.  Who doesn't leave the tabstop set to 4
> please email me.  I'll summarize to the list if people
> want.  Just curious if there is a defacto standard on this.
i would like to use tabstop set to 4 wherever possible.

thanks
dharani

Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Martin C.Atkins]

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 21:03:32 -0500 (EST) <vdharani@infernopark.com> wrote:
> i would like to use tabstop set to 4 wherever possible.
s/4/8/

for me

(and if the line slops, rewrite it, or get a bigger monitor :-)

(i.e., rewrite it.)

> 
> thanks
> dharani
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [9fans] tab stop poll

[Douglas A. Gwyn]

For maximum compatibility with hardware tabs on
(now "antique") terminals, and to properly reproduce
the expected appearance of code from old Unix systems,
use 8-character tab spacing.  For your own code, use
whatever your editor supports that you are happy with,
and run it through "retab -i +whatever" to convert it
to look identical on 8-character tabstop systems.