[9fans] paper ``Rio, the Plan 9 Window System''

[9fans] paper ``Rio, the Plan 9 Window System''

[Andrey S. Kukhar]

friends, Rob,
i wonder, why not exist paper describing rio, Plan 9 window system, which is
used in the 3th and 4th eds. Exist paper about 8 1/2, old Plan 9 window
system (``8 1/2, the Plan 9 window system''); paper about mux, UNIX window
system (``Window Systems Should Be Transparent'').

I read ``Rio: Design of a Concurent Window System'', but it doesn`t fully
describe rio as it is described mux and 8 1/2 in their papers.

Q: why not to rewrite document ``8 1/2, the Plan 9 window system'' for rio?

(Sorry my english)
-ask

Re: [9fans] paper ``Rio, the Plan 9 Window System''

[okamoto]

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If Rob won't write User's manual of rio, fs etc, why someone in Vitanuova
can write one, and sell the books of manuals with it.   I say this, because
Plan 9 has two aspects to be considered, one is a target for OS reseachers,
and the other is a clearer base for someone, probably concerning with
education? to use it for applications.   Vitanuova, probably, targetting the latter,
I suppose.

Kenji

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it might be worth noting that another paper, ``A Concurrent Window System'',
is helpful in understanding the underlying model and to a useful extent the
internal structure of rio and its use of Channels (thread(2)).

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From: "rob pike, esq." <rob@plan9.bell-labs.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] paper ``Rio, the Plan 9 Window System''
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:49:50 -0400
Message-ID: <912418b08142b7626f8a45c18bb299ae@plan9.bell-labs.com>

Rio never seemed enough of an advance to be worth a paper.
The 8 paper describes the most important property, providing
a window system as a file server.

The only novel feature of rio is the way it avoids multiplexing
the graphics device, letting the driver do that job.  (8 muxed
all graphics ops itself.)  But other window managers can do that,
so it's not worth a paper either.

-rob

Re: [9fans] paper ``Rio, the Plan 9 Window System''

[C H Forsyth]

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it might be worth noting that another paper, ``A Concurrent Window System'',
is helpful in understanding the underlying model and to a useful extent the
internal structure of rio and its use of Channels (thread(2)).

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From: "rob pike, esq." <rob@plan9.bell-labs.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] paper ``Rio, the Plan 9 Window System''
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:49:50 -0400
Message-ID: <912418b08142b7626f8a45c18bb299ae@plan9.bell-labs.com>

Rio never seemed enough of an advance to be worth a paper.
The 8 paper describes the most important property, providing
a window system as a file server.

The only novel feature of rio is the way it avoids multiplexing
the graphics device, letting the driver do that job.  (8 muxed
all graphics ops itself.)  But other window managers can do that,
so it's not worth a paper either.

-rob

Re: [9fans] paper ``Rio, the Plan 9 Window System''

[rob pike, esq.]

Rio never seemed enough of an advance to be worth a paper.
The 8½ paper describes the most important property, providing
a window system as a file server.

The only novel feature of rio is the way it avoids multiplexing
the graphics device, letting the driver do that job.  (8½ muxed
all graphics ops itself.)  But other window managers can do that,
so it's not worth a paper either.

-rob