[9fans] request: native graphics on OS X

[9fans] request: native graphics on OS X

[Russ Cox]

If there is someone out there who has a Mac and some spare cycles,
please Please PLEASE look into writing a Carbon-based (not X11-based)
back end for drawterm or for Plan 9 ports (if you do one, I'll do the other!).

The only hard part is finding out how to interface with Carbon from C.
The demands that Plan 9 graphics make on the underlying system
are really very minimal, the X implementation notwithstanding.
As a simple example take a look at the win32 code in drawterm,
which is only 646 lines to deal with mouse, keyboard, and graphics window.
http://cvs.pdos.csail.mit.edu/cvs/drawterm/gui-win32/screen.c?annotate=1.4
Ron's mention of a /dev/fb-based draw setup is similar proof.

If you know of good documentation but don't have time, please post any
links to docs that might help someone else.

Thanks.
Russ

[9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Russ Cox]

Paul Lalonde points out http://www.mactech.com/macintosh-c/online.html

Russ

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Paul Lalonde]

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Ok, my guilt is getting me to spend a couple of hours on this this  
afternoon.
I'm assuming I just need to reimplement src/cmd/devdraw?

Paul

On 10-Dec-06, at 3:01 PM, Russ Cox wrote:

> Paul Lalonde points out http://www.mactech.com/macintosh-c/online.html
>
> Russ

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Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Russ Cox]

> Ok, my guilt is getting me to spend a couple of hours on this this
> afternoon.
> I'm assuming I just need to reimplement src/cmd/devdraw?

I didn't mean to guilt anyone into action.
Working on either src/cmd/devdraw or a new
drawterm/gui-mac directory would be fine.

You should look at the drawterm/gui-win32
directory either way, since it shows how
much simpler the hook code can be if you're
not trying to make remote network graphics
work well.

Russ

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Paul Lalonde]

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It's not a deep guilt.  I can stand to throw a little back to the  
community.

And wow, that is miles simpler.  I'll see if I can't get it going.

Paul

On 10-Dec-06, at 3:41 PM, Russ Cox wrote:

>> Ok, my guilt is getting me to spend a couple of hours on this this
>> afternoon.
>> I'm assuming I just need to reimplement src/cmd/devdraw?
>
> I didn't mean to guilt anyone into action.
> Working on either src/cmd/devdraw or a new
> drawterm/gui-mac directory would be fine.
>
> You should look at the drawterm/gui-win32
> directory either way, since it shows how
> much simpler the hook code can be if you're
> not trying to make remote network graphics
> work well.
>
> Russ

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Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Paul Lalonde]

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And I'd forgotten how long it has been since I did any mac coding; my  
world has been deprecated.
OSX 10.4 has taken all of quickdraw and marked it deprecated, and  
invited us to use hardware-accelerated Quartz instead.  Back on the  
learning curve.

Paul

On 10-Dec-06, at 3:01 PM, Russ Cox wrote:

> Paul Lalonde points out http://www.mactech.com/macintosh-c/online.html
>
> Russ

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Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[David Leimbach]

Any update here?

On 12/10/06, Paul Lalonde <plalonde@telus.net> wrote:
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> And I'd forgotten how long it has been since I did any mac coding; my
> world has been deprecated.
> OSX 10.4 has taken all of quickdraw and marked it deprecated, and
> invited us to use hardware-accelerated Quartz instead.  Back on the
> learning curve.
>
> Paul
>
> On 10-Dec-06, at 3:01 PM, Russ Cox wrote:
>
> > Paul Lalonde points out http://www.mactech.com/macintosh-c/online.html
> >
> > Russ
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Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Russ Cox]

> Any update here?

Paul got the native OS X graphics code working a few weeks ago.
I have just checked it into the CVS repository.  The tarball at
http://swtch.com/drawterm/ is up to date.

If before you used make 'CONF=osx' to get the OS X/X11 build,
you should now use make 'CONF=osx-x11'.  Using plain make 'CONF=osx'
will now build the native Carbon version.

There are still some things that could be done in the graphics code.
In particular, it would be nice if the keyboard modifiers that X11
uses to get alternate mouse buttons worked here too -- otherwise
on laptops you have a one-button drawterm.

The changes I have just pushed out are untested by me (I tested
an earlier version of them) and may not even compile (I am not at
a Mac right now).  Mail me and Paul if you have any problems.

Russ

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Paul Lalonde]

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I might add that I witnessed a crash bug today (first in several days
of use); of course I didn't have OS X set to generate a core dump.  Grr.
I'll happily accept core dumps :-)

Paul

On 9-Jan-07, at 2:22 PM, Russ Cox wrote:

>> Any update here?
>
> Paul got the native OS X graphics code working a few weeks ago.
> I have just checked it into the CVS repository.  The tarball at
> http://swtch.com/drawterm/ is up to date.
>
> If before you used make 'CONF=osx' to get the OS X/X11 build,
> you should now use make 'CONF=osx-x11'.  Using plain make 'CONF=osx'
> will now build the native Carbon version.
>
> There are still some things that could be done in the graphics code.
> In particular, it would be nice if the keyboard modifiers that X11
> uses to get alternate mouse buttons worked here too -- otherwise
> on laptops you have a one-button drawterm.
>
> The changes I have just pushed out are untested by me (I tested
> an earlier version of them) and may not even compile (I am not at
> a Mac right now).  Mail me and Paul if you have any problems.
>
> Russ

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Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Brantley Coile]

is there a binary anywhere?

>> Any update here?
>
> Paul got the native OS X graphics code working a few weeks ago.
> I have just checked it into the CVS repository.  The tarball at
> http://swtch.com/drawterm/ is up to date.
>
> If before you used make 'CONF=osx' to get the OS X/X11 build,
> you should now use make 'CONF=osx-x11'.  Using plain make 'CONF=osx'
> will now build the native Carbon version.
>
> There are still some things that could be done in the graphics code.
> In particular, it would be nice if the keyboard modifiers that X11
> uses to get alternate mouse buttons worked here too -- otherwise
> on laptops you have a one-button drawterm.
>
> The changes I have just pushed out are untested by me (I tested
> an earlier version of them) and may not even compile (I am not at
> a Mac right now).  Mail me and Paul if you have any problems.
>
> Russ

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[andrey mirtchovski]

i just compiled one on an intel powerbook, i can send that to russ or
to you if you need it.

On 1/9/07, Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com> wrote:
> is there a binary anywhere?
>
> >> Any update here?
> >
> > Paul got the native OS X graphics code working a few weeks ago.
> > I have just checked it into the CVS repository.  The tarball at
> > http://swtch.com/drawterm/ is up to date.
> >
> > If before you used make 'CONF=osx' to get the OS X/X11 build,
> > you should now use make 'CONF=osx-x11'.  Using plain make 'CONF=osx'
> > will now build the native Carbon version.
> >
> > There are still some things that could be done in the graphics code.
> > In particular, it would be nice if the keyboard modifiers that X11
> > uses to get alternate mouse buttons worked here too -- otherwise
> > on laptops you have a one-button drawterm.
> >
> > The changes I have just pushed out are untested by me (I tested
> > an earlier version of them) and may not even compile (I am not at
> > a Mac right now).  Mail me and Paul if you have any problems.
> >
> > Russ
>
>

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Brantley Coile]

Send me a copy.

> i just compiled one on an intel powerbook, i can send that to russ or
> to you if you need it.
>
> On 1/9/07, Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com> wrote:
>> is there a binary anywhere?
>>
>> >> Any update here?
>> >
>> > Paul got the native OS X graphics code working a few weeks ago.
>> > I have just checked it into the CVS repository.  The tarball at
>> > http://swtch.com/drawterm/ is up to date.
>> >
>> > If before you used make 'CONF=osx' to get the OS X/X11 build,
>> > you should now use make 'CONF=osx-x11'.  Using plain make 'CONF=osx'
>> > will now build the native Carbon version.
>> >
>> > There are still some things that could be done in the graphics code.
>> > In particular, it would be nice if the keyboard modifiers that X11
>> > uses to get alternate mouse buttons worked here too -- otherwise
>> > on laptops you have a one-button drawterm.
>> >
>> > The changes I have just pushed out are untested by me (I tested
>> > an earlier version of them) and may not even compile (I am not at
>> > a Mac right now).  Mail me and Paul if you have any problems.
>> >
>> > Russ
>>
>>

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[andrey mirtchovski]

err, make that an intel macbook.

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Paul Lalonde]

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There's already a bug fix in (Thanks Charles), where I missed the
qlock around flushmemscreen - you might want to wait until it shows
up in cvs before distributing an executable.

Paul

On 9-Jan-07, at 4:58 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote:

> i just compiled one on an intel powerbook, i can send that to russ or
> to you if you need it.
>
> On 1/9/07, Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com> wrote:
>> is there a binary anywhere?
>>
>> >> Any update here?
>> >
>> > Paul got the native OS X graphics code working a few weeks ago.
>> > I have just checked it into the CVS repository.  The tarball at
>> > http://swtch.com/drawterm/ is up to date.
>> >
>> > If before you used make 'CONF=osx' to get the OS X/X11 build,
>> > you should now use make 'CONF=osx-x11'.  Using plain make
>> 'CONF=osx'
>> > will now build the native Carbon version.
>> >
>> > There are still some things that could be done in the graphics
>> code.
>> > In particular, it would be nice if the keyboard modifiers that X11
>> > uses to get alternate mouse buttons worked here too -- otherwise
>> > on laptops you have a one-button drawterm.
>> >
>> > The changes I have just pushed out are untested by me (I tested
>> > an earlier version of them) and may not even compile (I am not at
>> > a Mac right now).  Mail me and Paul if you have any problems.
>> >
>> > Russ
>>
>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Brantley Coile]

> err, make that an intel macbook.

works for me.  I've a Core Solo MacMini.

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[andrey mirtchovski]

http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-intel.gz
http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-power.gz

both include the locking fix Paul was talking about.

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[David Leimbach]

On 1/9/07, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-intel.gz
> http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-power.gz
>
> both include the locking fix Paul was talking about.
>

I'm having 0 luck with 9grid.net.  Not sure whom to tell.

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[andrey mirtchovski]

me. fossil is hung after i put the binaries on and people started
downloading them. it'll reboot tomorrow morning :(

On 1/9/07, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/9/07, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> > http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-intel.gz
> > http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-power.gz
> >
> > both include the locking fix Paul was talking about.
> >
>
> I'm having 0 luck with 9grid.net.  Not sure whom to tell.
>

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> Paul got the native OS X graphics code working a few weeks ago.
> I have just checked it into the CVS repository.  The tarball at
> http://swtch.com/drawterm/ is up to date.

nice! thanks.  compiled right out of the box on a dual g4 box (10.4.8)
so far it is good enough to send messages to 9fans!

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[David Leimbach]

On 1/10/07, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
> > Paul got the native OS X graphics code working a few weeks ago.
> > I have just checked it into the CVS repository.  The tarball at
> > http://swtch.com/drawterm/ is up to date.
>
> nice! thanks.  compiled right out of the box on a dual g4 box (10.4.8)
> so far it is good enough to send messages to 9fans!
>
>

Hmm I got a binary from andrey and when I run it on my iMac it just
hangs when trying to connect to mordor.  Can't enter anything to
authenticate.

Actually that happens if I just launch it in general it seems too.
This wasn't the case on my macbook though.... odd.

Dave

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Paul Lalonde]

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I'm running it on my MBP just fine; I'll try it on my mini when I get
back to Victoria.

Paul

On 10-Jan-07, at 8:07 AM, David Leimbach wrote:

> On 1/10/07, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
>> > Paul got the native OS X graphics code working a few weeks ago.
>> > I have just checked it into the CVS repository.  The tarball at
>> > http://swtch.com/drawterm/ is up to date.
>>
>> nice! thanks.  compiled right out of the box on a dual g4 box
>> (10.4.8)
>> so far it is good enough to send messages to 9fans!
>>
>>
>
> Hmm I got a binary from andrey and when I run it on my iMac it just
> hangs when trying to connect to mordor.  Can't enter anything to
> authenticate.
>
> Actually that happens if I just launch it in general it seems too.
> This wasn't the case on my macbook though.... odd.
>
> Dave

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Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[Abhey Shah]

because of CGImageCreateWithImageInRect it looks like it's 10.4 only
which might be why it's not working on the imac?

On 10 Jan 2007, at 00:05, Brantley Coile wrote:

> is there a binary anywhere?
>
>>> Any update here?
>>
>> Paul got the native OS X graphics code working a few weeks ago.
>> I have just checked it into the CVS repository.  The tarball at
>> http://swtch.com/drawterm/ is up to date.
>>
>> If before you used make 'CONF=osx' to get the OS X/X11 build,
>> you should now use make 'CONF=osx-x11'.  Using plain make 'CONF=osx'
>> will now build the native Carbon version.
>>
>> There are still some things that could be done in the graphics code.
>> In particular, it would be nice if the keyboard modifiers that X11
>> uses to get alternate mouse buttons worked here too -- otherwise
>> on laptops you have a one-button drawterm.
>>
>> The changes I have just pushed out are untested by me (I tested
>> an earlier version of them) and may not even compile (I am not at
>> a Mac right now).  Mail me and Paul if you have any problems.
>>
>> Russ
>
>

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[David Leimbach]

On 1/10/07, Abhey Shah <as234@york.ac.uk> wrote:
> because of CGImageCreateWithImageInRect it looks like it's 10.4 only
> which might be why it's not working on the imac?

I've got 10.4 :-)

It's an Intel iMac.


>
> On 10 Jan 2007, at 00:05, Brantley Coile wrote:
>
> > is there a binary anywhere?
> >
> >>> Any update here?
> >>
> >> Paul got the native OS X graphics code working a few weeks ago.
> >> I have just checked it into the CVS repository.  The tarball at
> >> http://swtch.com/drawterm/ is up to date.
> >>
> >> If before you used make 'CONF=osx' to get the OS X/X11 build,
> >> you should now use make 'CONF=osx-x11'.  Using plain make 'CONF=osx'
> >> will now build the native Carbon version.
> >>
> >> There are still some things that could be done in the graphics code.
> >> In particular, it would be nice if the keyboard modifiers that X11
> >> uses to get alternate mouse buttons worked here too -- otherwise
> >> on laptops you have a one-button drawterm.
> >>
> >> The changes I have just pushed out are untested by me (I tested
> >> an earlier version of them) and may not even compile (I am not at
> >> a Mac right now).  Mail me and Paul if you have any problems.
> >>
> >> Russ
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[David Leimbach]

I just found out my spinny beachball of doom goes away if I run as
root vs running as a normal user... I wonder if my filesystem
permissions are dorked up.  I ran a ktrace on this and saw a ton of
syscalls to sigprocmask...

Dave

On 1/11/07, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are these from the same CVS?
>
> On 1/11/07, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> > new binaries on 9grid fix a problem with the cat-tongued ibm mouse we
> > all love and fixes del keys to send interrupts.
> >
> > russ has the diff so cvs is probably updated already.
> >
> > http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-intel.gz
> > http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-power.gz
> >
> > russ, you're welcome to put them on swtch.com if you want.
> >
>

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[andrey mirtchovski]

yes, but the patch hasn't made it there yet (i just checked).
everything else is the same.

On 1/11/07, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are these from the same CVS?
>

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[David Leimbach]

Are these from the same CVS?

On 1/11/07, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> new binaries on 9grid fix a problem with the cat-tongued ibm mouse we
> all love and fixes del keys to send interrupts.
>
> russ has the diff so cvs is probably updated already.
>
> http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-intel.gz
> http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-power.gz
>
> russ, you're welcome to put them on swtch.com if you want.
>

Re: [9fans] Re: request: native graphics on OS X

[andrey mirtchovski]

new binaries on 9grid fix a problem with the cat-tongued ibm mouse we
all love and fixes del keys to send interrupts.

russ has the diff so cvs is probably updated already.

http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-intel.gz
http://9grid.net/andrey/p9/drawterm-osx-power.gz

russ, you're welcome to put them on swtch.com if you want.