Re: [9fans] insularity

[Dave Lukes <davel@anvil.com>]

> When you pit this mastery against the sense of entitlement  that comes
> from mainstream systems you get conflicts like this. People expect
> canned solutions not pointers to *how* to solve things.

Yes, and maybe we should emphasise this more.

Personally, I feel that if people don't "get it",
then maybe that's their problem?

> The real issue is how to solve this problem. 

Well, to some extent it solves itself ...

If people aren't willing to invest the effort,
then they don't get the benefit.

Remember, I'm in a far worse position than a lot of 9fans:
I have no plan9 system, but nonetheless, I think I "get it".

> I propose that we emphasize the tools philosophy to clarify the underlying philosophy and justifications in introductions to new users. It's already there really, but scattered in other explanations rather than dealt with systematically. 

Well, OK, but I would have thought that was a "given" ...

> One way of solving this would be to use existing books like the 
>  "Unix Programming Environment" or "Software Tools" with their code updated for Plan 9. I think a lot of people avoid those books because they don't believe they need to learn ancient Unix or Ratfor. And it's a shame because they miss the conceptual forest for the trees of individual system implementations and cruft. 

> I'll gladly contribute anything I can if we can agree on a roadmap.

Well, I still think that,
since I "get it" with the available information, there's no problem!

	Dave.