* [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 @ 2007-11-27 7:22 Anthony Sorace 2007-11-27 10:19 ` Gorka Guardiola 2007-11-27 13:49 ` Eric Van Hensbergen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Anthony Sorace @ 2007-11-27 7:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans I saw that the program draft has been posted (http://plan9.bell-labs.com/iwp9/programme.pdf) - neat! Looks like an interesting lineup. Can someone talk briefly about what the Work-in-Progress session at the end is about? That is, is this content provided by the organizers, or is it more free-form time for attendees? Also, while it might be a bit late to fix this for this year, in the future it'd be nice if there was some kind of automated response system if humans won't be expected to respond to mail. Confirming registration and paper submissions in particular would be very nice. Getting excited for next week. Anthony ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-27 7:22 [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 Anthony Sorace @ 2007-11-27 10:19 ` Gorka Guardiola 2007-11-27 17:25 ` Anthony Sorace 2007-11-27 13:49 ` Eric Van Hensbergen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Gorka Guardiola @ 2007-11-27 10:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Nov 27, 2007 8:22 AM, Anthony Sorace <anothy@gmail.com> wrote: > Also, while it might be a bit late to fix this for this year, in the > future it'd be nice if there was some kind of automated response > system if humans won't be expected to respond to mail. Confirming Really good from you to offer to sysadmin for the next year :-)!!. -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-27 10:19 ` Gorka Guardiola @ 2007-11-27 17:25 ` Anthony Sorace 2007-11-27 19:51 ` Pietro Gagliardi 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Anthony Sorace @ 2007-11-27 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 11/27/07, Gorka Guardiola <paurea@gmail.com> wrote: > Really good from you to offer to sysadmin for the next year :-)!!. presumably intended as a joke, but if whoever organizes next year's IWP9 would like help on that front, i'm happy to. i don't think hosting the cite on my end of a residential cable modem would be the best plan, but if someone else has the facilities i'm happy to contribute time. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-27 17:25 ` Anthony Sorace @ 2007-11-27 19:51 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2007-11-27 22:05 ` andrey mirtchovski 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-11-27 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I'm not coming to IWP9 this year, but I looked at the transcript and I was interested in some of them ("Acid Trips" - does it discuss using the program? I'd love that...). I was wondering if transcripts of the talks would be available after that. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-27 19:51 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-11-27 22:05 ` andrey mirtchovski 2007-11-27 23:35 ` Eric Van Hensbergen 2007-11-28 19:30 ` Anant Narayanan 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2007-11-27 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs better yet: videos. i will gladly handle the reencoding and hosting for russ' tutorials if someone videotapes them. On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > I'm not coming to IWP9 this year, but I looked at the transcript and > I was interested in some of them ("Acid Trips" - does it discuss > using the program? I'd love that...). I was wondering if transcripts > of the talks would be available after that. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-27 22:05 ` andrey mirtchovski @ 2007-11-27 23:35 ` Eric Van Hensbergen 2007-11-28 19:30 ` Anant Narayanan 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Eric Van Hensbergen @ 2007-11-27 23:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs there was a camera in the classroom, I suppose if all else fails I can capture with a webcam.... Will probably suck for sound though. I have a video camera, but I need to see if my directional mic works... -eric On Nov 27, 2007 4:05 PM, andrey mirtchovski <andrey@lanl.gov> wrote: > better yet: videos. i will gladly handle the reencoding and hosting > for russ' tutorials if someone videotapes them. > > > On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > > > I'm not coming to IWP9 this year, but I looked at the transcript and > > I was interested in some of them ("Acid Trips" - does it discuss > > using the program? I'd love that...). I was wondering if transcripts > > of the talks would be available after that. > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-27 22:05 ` andrey mirtchovski 2007-11-27 23:35 ` Eric Van Hensbergen @ 2007-11-28 19:30 ` Anant Narayanan 2007-11-28 19:41 ` ron minnich 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Anant Narayanan @ 2007-11-28 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs andrey mirtchovski wrote: > better yet: videos. i will gladly handle the reencoding and hosting for > russ' tutorials if someone videotapes them. Thanks! Would also love to see the Keynote talk on the History of Plan 9 on video. -- Anant ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-28 19:30 ` Anant Narayanan @ 2007-11-28 19:41 ` ron minnich 2007-11-28 20:26 ` ron minnich ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2007-11-28 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX. Of those coming, who would like to attend? Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks here, but it is better if you can bring one. Let me know ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-28 19:41 ` ron minnich @ 2007-11-28 20:26 ` ron minnich 2007-11-28 20:39 ` Sape Mullender ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2007-11-28 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Nov 28, 2007 11:41 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote: > Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable > environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks > here, but it is better if you can bring one. I can't get sticks here after all, they are ridiculously over priced. Sorry. Bring a laptop to the tutorial! I can't supply them either :-) ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-28 19:41 ` ron minnich 2007-11-28 20:26 ` ron minnich @ 2007-11-28 20:39 ` Sape Mullender 2007-11-28 20:47 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2007-11-28 20:52 ` ron minnich 2007-11-28 21:47 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 2007-11-28 22:59 ` Wes Kussmaul 3 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Sape Mullender @ 2007-11-28 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Any requirements on those sticks other than size? Is there a difference between bootable and non bootable? Sape > looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX. > > Of those coming, who would like to attend? > > Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable > environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks > here, but it is better if you can bring one. > > Let me know > > ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-28 20:39 ` Sape Mullender @ 2007-11-28 20:47 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2007-11-28 22:45 ` Axel Belinfante 2007-11-28 20:52 ` ron minnich 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-11-28 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I think it doesn't matter whether or not the sticks can be bootable, as any hard drive can have an MBR. I know what matters is whether or not the computer in question can boot from USB devices. Look in the machine's BIOS settings. I have a 1GB stick with U3 on it, but if I had a larger stick without any software I could just copy my emulator hard drive to it. The emulator software comes with that ability, and the ability to go the other way around :-) On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Sape Mullender wrote: > Any requirements on those sticks other than size? Is there a > difference between bootable and non bootable? > > Sape > >> looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX. >> >> Of those coming, who would like to attend? >> >> Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable >> environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks >> here, but it is better if you can bring one. >> >> Let me know >> >> ron > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-28 20:47 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-11-28 22:45 ` Axel Belinfante 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Axel Belinfante @ 2007-11-28 22:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs would there be any practical difference between a dedicated stick and an sd(hc) card in a usb card reader (sandisk micromate in particular)? (apart from physical differences like the card fitting in my camera whereas a stick does not :-) just trying to learn. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-28 20:39 ` Sape Mullender 2007-11-28 20:47 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-11-28 20:52 ` ron minnich 2007-11-28 22:37 ` lejatorn 2007-11-29 1:38 ` Aki Nyrhinen 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2007-11-28 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Nov 28, 2007 12:39 PM, Sape Mullender <sape@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: > Any requirements on those sticks other than size? Is there a > difference between bootable and non bootable? > I did not think that bootable was "special". I hope not. If you can put an MBR on it, it should work. The size is really the size of sdC0, which is 1.6 or so GB. I don't like venti-less plan 9 systems. Another way to shrink down is to use an image we have on there that is a true terminal, and mounts root from somewhere on the net. This is pretty unbearable to use, but maybe cfs makes it all better? So you can technically get this back to 512MB if you toss the sdC0 image on the flash, but you may not like the result. Be sure your laptop can boot from USB. That's needed. If we get desperate I guess we can burn a boot CD. Or, transfer the image to HDD. So this is not going to be me up there with powerpoint. It's pretty hands on. And Aki is going to help, right, Aki? Also Aki and I are going to show a WIP we think you all will like. Aki doesn't know that yet. Oh, oops, well, now he does :-) ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-28 20:52 ` ron minnich @ 2007-11-28 22:37 ` lejatorn 2007-11-29 1:38 ` Aki Nyrhinen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: lejatorn @ 2007-11-28 22:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Ok, I'm interested but I only have a 1GB one, so I'll bring it anyways and we'll see what magic you can do with it. ;) Cheers, Mathieu. On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 12:52:37PM -0800, ron minnich wrote: > On Nov 28, 2007 12:39 PM, Sape Mullender <sape@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: > > Any requirements on those sticks other than size? Is there a > > difference between bootable and non bootable? > > > > I did not think that bootable was "special". I hope not. If you can > put an MBR on it, it should work. > > The size is really the size of sdC0, which is 1.6 or so GB. I don't > like venti-less plan 9 systems. > > Another way to shrink down is to use an image we have on there that is > a true terminal, and mounts root from somewhere on the net. This is > pretty unbearable to use, but maybe cfs makes it all better? > > So you can technically get this back to 512MB if you toss the sdC0 > image on the flash, but you may not like the result. > > Be sure your laptop can boot from USB. That's needed. If we get > desperate I guess we can burn a boot CD. Or, transfer the image to > HDD. > > So this is not going to be me up there with powerpoint. It's pretty > hands on. And Aki is going to help, right, Aki? > > Also Aki and I are going to show a WIP we think you all will like. Aki > doesn't know that yet. Oh, oops, well, now he does :-) > > ron -- GPG key on subkeys.pgp.net: KeyID: | Fingerprint: 683DE5F3 | 4324 5818 39AA 9545 95C6 09AF B0A4 DFEA 683D E5F3 -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-28 20:52 ` ron minnich 2007-11-28 22:37 ` lejatorn @ 2007-11-29 1:38 ` Aki Nyrhinen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Aki Nyrhinen @ 2007-11-29 1:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > So this is not going to be me up there with powerpoint. It's pretty > hands on. And Aki is going to help, right, Aki? right. maybe. i should have 2 and 4G sticks around, so if those are still allowed in the plane, i'll have them with me. > Also Aki and I are going to show a WIP we think you all will like. Aki > doesn't know that yet. Oh, oops, well, now he does :-) it seems i do. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-28 19:41 ` ron minnich 2007-11-28 20:26 ` ron minnich 2007-11-28 20:39 ` Sape Mullender @ 2007-11-28 21:47 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 2007-11-28 22:59 ` Wes Kussmaul 3 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2007-11-28 21:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I'd love it :) I'll bring my 2g stick :) On Nov 28, 2007 8:41 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote: > looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX. > > Of those coming, who would like to attend? > > Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable > environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks > here, but it is better if you can bring one. > > Let me know > > ron > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-28 19:41 ` ron minnich ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2007-11-28 21:47 ` Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2007-11-28 22:59 ` Wes Kussmaul 2007-11-28 23:05 ` Wes Kussmaul 3 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2007-11-28 22:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Ron, I'm going to be at Internet Identity Workshop next week. Can I send you a USB stick, or if you have one handy can you load it and I'll paypal you the cost + shipping? Thanks, Wes ron minnich wrote: > looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX. > > Of those coming, who would like to attend? > > Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable > environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks > here, but it is better if you can bring one. > > Let me know > > ron > > -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify attorney Mort Hapless at Vulner, Exposed & Wideopen LLP immediately at either (781) 647-7178, or at ohoh@vulex.com, and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. No, really. Really. Listen, we mean it! Hey, if you don’t stop reading that confidential stuff about our client you’re in big trouble. OK, we’re the ones in trouble but we’ll find a way to go after you, or at least we think we may be able to. Look, we’re begging you. Just click the delete button and move on to a message that concerns you, OK? Please?? We'll buy you lunch... Identity is the Foundation of Security™. Let Authentrus (authentrus.com) ensure that only intended recipients receive your confidential messages. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-28 22:59 ` Wes Kussmaul @ 2007-11-28 23:05 ` Wes Kussmaul 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2007-11-28 23:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Sorry, that was intended to be off-list. Wes Kussmaul wrote: > > Ron, I'm going to be at Internet Identity Workshop next week. Can I > send you a USB stick, or if you have one handy can you load it and > I'll paypal you the cost + shipping? > > Thanks, > Wes > > ron minnich wrote: >> looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX. >> >> Of those coming, who would like to attend? >> >> Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable >> environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks >> here, but it is better if you can bring one. >> >> Let me know >> >> ron >> >> > > -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify attorney Mort Hapless at Vulner, Exposed & Wideopen LLP immediately at either (781) 647-7178, or at ohoh@vulex.com, and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. No, really. Really. Listen, we mean it! Hey, if you don’t stop reading that confidential stuff about our client you’re in big trouble. OK, we’re the ones in trouble but we’ll find a way to go after you, or at least we think we may be able to. Look, we’re begging you. Just click the delete button and move on to a message that concerns you, OK? Please?? We'll buy you lunch... Identity is the Foundation of Security™. Let Authentrus (authentrus.com) ensure that only intended recipients receive your confidential messages. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 2007-11-27 7:22 [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 Anthony Sorace 2007-11-27 10:19 ` Gorka Guardiola @ 2007-11-27 13:49 ` Eric Van Hensbergen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Eric Van Hensbergen @ 2007-11-27 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Nov 27, 2007 1:22 AM, Anthony Sorace <anothy@gmail.com> wrote: > I saw that the program draft has been posted > (http://plan9.bell-labs.com/iwp9/programme.pdf) - neat! Looks like an > interesting lineup. Can someone talk briefly about what the > Work-in-Progress session at the end is about? That is, is this content > provided by the organizers, or is it more free-form time for > attendees? > The initial idea was for folks attending to talk about what they were working on without having to prepare a formal paper/30-minute-presentation. I'm not sure what the final format is, but one suggestion was 3-slides/roughly-5-minutes per topic with a short discussion time afterwards -- probably maxing out at 10 minutes. The idea is to be short and pithy, not get into extended design discussions. Perhaps if there is slack time, topics that folks are interested in can be revisited -- either in front of the group or over coffee/beer. (mmm...delicious coffee beer) Individuals can present more than one topic, but we may have to revisit that if there is too much of a time crunch. For example, I've got a few different things I want to touch in on -- v9fs, multi-dimension-file-systems, warren, a Plan 9/Inferno port to RAMP, and maybe some discussion of what's happening with libOS these days (we'll already be covering the blue gene update in our talk). Of course, given that that's almost 30 minutes worth of topics, I may have to selectively trim a bit ;) Ideally, folks will have their slides prepped ahead of time and in PDF so we can just dump them all on a laptop so we don't have to deal with 5 minutes of setup time per person. -eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2007-11-29 1:38 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 19+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2007-11-27 7:22 [9fans] WIP session at IWP9 Anthony Sorace 2007-11-27 10:19 ` Gorka Guardiola 2007-11-27 17:25 ` Anthony Sorace 2007-11-27 19:51 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2007-11-27 22:05 ` andrey mirtchovski 2007-11-27 23:35 ` Eric Van Hensbergen 2007-11-28 19:30 ` Anant Narayanan 2007-11-28 19:41 ` ron minnich 2007-11-28 20:26 ` ron minnich 2007-11-28 20:39 ` Sape Mullender 2007-11-28 20:47 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2007-11-28 22:45 ` Axel Belinfante 2007-11-28 20:52 ` ron minnich 2007-11-28 22:37 ` lejatorn 2007-11-29 1:38 ` Aki Nyrhinen 2007-11-28 21:47 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 2007-11-28 22:59 ` Wes Kussmaul 2007-11-28 23:05 ` Wes Kussmaul 2007-11-27 13:49 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox; as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).