[9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Anthony Sorace]

I saw that the program draft has been posted
(http://plan9.bell-labs.com/iwp9/programme.pdf) - neat! Looks like an
interesting lineup. Can someone talk briefly about what the
Work-in-Progress session at the end is about? That is, is this content
provided by the organizers, or is it more free-form time for
attendees?

Also, while it might be a bit late to fix this for this year, in the
future it'd be nice if there was some kind of automated response
system if humans won't be expected to respond to mail. Confirming
registration and paper submissions in particular would be very nice.

Getting excited for next week.
Anthony

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Gorka Guardiola]

On Nov 27, 2007 8:22 AM, Anthony Sorace <anothy@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, while it might be a bit late to fix this for this year, in the
> future it'd be nice if there was some kind of automated response
> system if humans won't be expected to respond to mail. Confirming

Really good from you to offer to sysadmin for the next year :-)!!.
-- 
- curiosity sKilled the cat

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Anthony Sorace]

On 11/27/07, Gorka Guardiola <paurea@gmail.com> wrote:
> Really good from you to offer to sysadmin for the next year :-)!!.

presumably intended as a joke, but if whoever organizes next year's
IWP9 would like help on that front, i'm happy to. i don't think
hosting the cite on my end of a residential cable modem would be the
best plan, but if someone else has the facilities i'm happy to
contribute time.

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Pietro Gagliardi]

I'm not coming to IWP9 this year, but I looked at the transcript and  
I was interested in some of them ("Acid Trips" - does it discuss  
using the program? I'd love that...). I was wondering if transcripts  
of the talks would be available after that.

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[andrey mirtchovski]

better yet: videos. i will gladly handle the reencoding and hosting  
for russ' tutorials if someone videotapes them.

On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:

> I'm not coming to IWP9 this year, but I looked at the transcript and  
> I was interested in some of them ("Acid Trips" - does it discuss  
> using the program? I'd love that...). I was wondering if transcripts  
> of the talks would be available after that.
>

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Eric Van Hensbergen]

there was a camera in the classroom, I suppose if all else fails I can
capture with a webcam....

Will probably suck for sound though.  I have a video camera, but I
need to see if my directional mic works...

     -eric

On Nov 27, 2007 4:05 PM, andrey mirtchovski <andrey@lanl.gov> wrote:
> better yet: videos. i will gladly handle the reencoding and hosting
> for russ' tutorials if someone videotapes them.
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:
>
> > I'm not coming to IWP9 this year, but I looked at the transcript and
> > I was interested in some of them ("Acid Trips" - does it discuss
> > using the program? I'd love that...). I was wondering if transcripts
> > of the talks would be available after that.
> >
>
>

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Anant Narayanan]

andrey mirtchovski wrote:
> better yet: videos. i will gladly handle the reencoding and hosting for
> russ' tutorials if someone videotapes them.

Thanks! Would also love to see the Keynote talk on the History of Plan 9
on video.

--
Anant

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[ron minnich]

looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX.

Of those coming, who would like to attend?

Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable
environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks
here, but it is better if you can bring one.

Let me know

ron

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[ron minnich]

On Nov 28, 2007 11:41 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable
> environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks
> here, but it is better if you can bring one.

I can't get sticks here after all, they are ridiculously over priced.

Sorry.

Bring a laptop to the tutorial! I can't supply them either :-)

ron

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Sape Mullender]

Any requirements on those sticks other than size?  Is there a
difference between bootable and non bootable?

	Sape

> looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX.
> 
> Of those coming, who would like to attend?
> 
> Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable
> environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks
> here, but it is better if you can bring one.
> 
> Let me know
> 
> ron

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Pietro Gagliardi]

I think it doesn't matter whether or not the sticks can be bootable,  
as any hard drive can have an MBR. I know what matters is whether or  
not the computer in question can boot from USB devices. Look in the  
machine's BIOS settings. I have a 1GB stick with U3 on it, but if I  
had a larger stick without any software I could just copy my emulator  
hard drive to it. The emulator software comes with that ability, and  
the ability to go the other way around :-)

On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Sape Mullender wrote:

> Any requirements on those sticks other than size?  Is there a
> difference between bootable and non bootable?
>
> 	Sape
>
>> looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX.
>>
>> Of those coming, who would like to attend?
>>
>> Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable
>> environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks
>> here, but it is better if you can bring one.
>>
>> Let me know
>>
>> ron
>

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Axel Belinfante]

would there be any practical difference between a dedicated stick and
an sd(hc) card in a usb card reader (sandisk micromate in particular)?

(apart from physical differences like the card
 fitting in my camera whereas a stick does not :-)


just trying to learn.

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[ron minnich]

On Nov 28, 2007 12:39 PM, Sape Mullender <sape@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote:
> Any requirements on those sticks other than size?  Is there a
> difference between bootable and non bootable?
>

I did not think that bootable was "special". I hope not. If you can
put an MBR on it, it should work.

The size is really the size of sdC0, which is 1.6 or so GB. I don't
like venti-less plan 9 systems.

Another way to shrink down is to use an image we have on there that is
a true terminal, and mounts root from somewhere on the net. This is
pretty unbearable to use, but maybe cfs makes it all better?

So you can technically get this back to 512MB if you toss the sdC0
image on the flash, but you may not like the result.

Be sure your laptop can boot from USB. That's needed. If we get
desperate I guess we can burn a boot CD. Or, transfer the image to
HDD.

So this is not going to be me up there with powerpoint. It's pretty
hands on. And Aki is going to help, right, Aki?

Also Aki and I are going to show a WIP we think you all will like. Aki
doesn't know that yet. Oh, oops, well, now he does :-)

ron

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[lejatorn]

Ok, I'm interested but I only have a 1GB one, so I'll bring it anyways
and we'll see what magic you can do with it. ;)

Cheers,
Mathieu.

On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 12:52:37PM -0800, ron minnich wrote:
> On Nov 28, 2007 12:39 PM, Sape Mullender <sape@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote:
> > Any requirements on those sticks other than size?  Is there a
> > difference between bootable and non bootable?
> >
> 
> I did not think that bootable was "special". I hope not. If you can
> put an MBR on it, it should work.
> 
> The size is really the size of sdC0, which is 1.6 or so GB. I don't
> like venti-less plan 9 systems.
> 
> Another way to shrink down is to use an image we have on there that is
> a true terminal, and mounts root from somewhere on the net. This is
> pretty unbearable to use, but maybe cfs makes it all better?
> 
> So you can technically get this back to 512MB if you toss the sdC0
> image on the flash, but you may not like the result.
> 
> Be sure your laptop can boot from USB. That's needed. If we get
> desperate I guess we can burn a boot CD. Or, transfer the image to
> HDD.
> 
> So this is not going to be me up there with powerpoint. It's pretty
> hands on. And Aki is going to help, right, Aki?
> 
> Also Aki and I are going to show a WIP we think you all will like. Aki
> doesn't know that yet. Oh, oops, well, now he does :-)
> 
> ron

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Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Aki Nyrhinen]

> So this is not going to be me up there with powerpoint. It's pretty
> hands on. And Aki is going to help, right, Aki?

right. maybe. i should have 2 and 4G sticks around, so if those are
still allowed in the plane, i'll have them with me.

> Also Aki and I are going to show a WIP we think you all will like. Aki
> doesn't know that yet. Oh, oops, well, now he does :-)

it seems i do.

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Francisco J Ballesteros]

I'd love it :)
I'll bring my 2g stick :)

On Nov 28, 2007 8:41 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX.
>
> Of those coming, who would like to attend?
>
> Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable
> environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks
> here, but it is better if you can bring one.
>
> Let me know
>
> ron
>

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Wes Kussmaul]

Ron, I'm going to be at Internet Identity Workshop next week. Can I send 
you a USB stick, or if you have one handy can you load it and I'll 
paypal you the cost + shipping?

Thanks,
Wes

ron minnich wrote:
> looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX.
>
> Of those coming, who would like to attend?
>
> Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable
> environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks
> here, but it is better if you can bring one.
>
> Let me know
>
> ron
>
>   


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Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Wes Kussmaul]

Sorry, that was intended to be off-list.

Wes Kussmaul wrote:
>
> Ron, I'm going to be at Internet Identity Workshop next week. Can I 
> send you a USB stick, or if you have one handy can you load it and 
> I'll paypal you the cost + shipping?
>
> Thanks,
> Wes
>
> ron minnich wrote:
>> looks like I am doing a tutorial on THNX.
>>
>> Of those coming, who would like to attend?
>>
>> Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable
>> environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks
>> here, but it is better if you can bring one.
>>
>> Let me know
>>
>> ron
>>
>>   
>
>


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CIO
The Village Group
738 Main Street
Waltham, MA 02451

781-647-7178


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Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

[Eric Van Hensbergen]

On Nov 27, 2007 1:22 AM, Anthony Sorace <anothy@gmail.com> wrote:
> I saw that the program draft has been posted
> (http://plan9.bell-labs.com/iwp9/programme.pdf) - neat! Looks like an
> interesting lineup. Can someone talk briefly about what the
> Work-in-Progress session at the end is about? That is, is this content
> provided by the organizers, or is it more free-form time for
> attendees?
>

The initial idea was for folks attending to talk about what they were
working on without having to prepare a formal
paper/30-minute-presentation.  I'm not sure what the final format is,
but one suggestion was 3-slides/roughly-5-minutes per topic with a
short discussion time afterwards -- probably maxing out at 10 minutes.
 The idea is to be short and pithy, not get into extended design
discussions.  Perhaps if there is slack time, topics that folks are
interested in can be revisited -- either in front of the group or over
coffee/beer.  (mmm...delicious coffee beer)  Individuals can present
more than one topic, but we may have to revisit that if there is too
much of a time crunch.  For example, I've got a few different things I
want to touch in on -- v9fs, multi-dimension-file-systems, warren, a
Plan 9/Inferno port to RAMP, and maybe some discussion of what's
happening with libOS these days (we'll already be covering the blue
gene update in our talk).  Of course, given that that's almost 30
minutes worth of topics, I may have to selectively trim a bit ;)

Ideally, folks will have their slides prepped ahead of time and in PDF
so we can just dump them all on a laptop so we don't have to deal with
5 minutes of setup time per person.

               -eric