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From: sqweek <sqweek@gmail.com>
To: "erik quanstrom" <quanstro@quanstro.net>
Cc: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:17:55 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <140e7ec30811112117t762244c6g6863d73d065aa6d5@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <150a5464b8f389f1eb92ff001f7d391f@quanstro.net>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:50 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>> protocol itself. The problem is it forces the server and client to
>> synchronise on every read/write syscall, which results in terrible
>> bandwidth utilisation. Unless we see some remarkable improvements in
> [...]
>>
>>  I'm sure I've missed something, but readahead is safe for all these
>> constructs except event files, where if you readahead (and get data)
>> but the client closes the file before actually read()-ing the buffered
>
> unfortunately, client caching is problematic.
>
> the open research question is, how to make latency the
> domain of the file server(s) and not of the application.

 I don't think that is possible without the current set of
syscalls/algorithms... Currently we have this (where time is measured
in one-way trips across the network):

0: the client calls pread()
0: devmnt sends a Tread to the server
1: server recieves Tread
1: server sends Rread
2: client recieves Rread
2: pread() returns

 You can't do any better than this if the server is involved, so what
saving is there to be made aside from:

0: the client calls pread()
0: devmnt notices it has the requested data cached
0: pread() returns

 devmnt doesn't have to be the one to choose what to cache, I suppose.
You could have the file server readahead safely, at the cost of having
to teach devmnt (and clients in general) to deal with unsolicited
messages from file servers, and be careful about rate limiting...

 The only other way around the problem I can see is an alternate set
of syscalls (or library calls, but either way you'd need to rewrite
anything that uses read()).
-sqweek



       reply	other threads:[~2008-11-12  5:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <150a5464b8f389f1eb92ff001f7d391f@quanstro.net>
2008-11-12  5:17 ` sqweek [this message]
2008-11-21  0:12 Eris Discordia
2008-11-21  0:42 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-21  7:57   ` Eris Discordia
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-11-20 22:28 Eris Discordia
2008-11-20 22:42 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-20 21:35 Eris Discordia
2008-11-19 18:31 Eris Discordia
2008-11-19 20:08 ` Anant Narayanan
2008-11-20  0:00   ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-20  4:55     ` blstuart
2008-11-20  7:44       ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-20 17:34         ` Brian L. Stuart
2008-11-20 18:30           ` akumar
2008-11-20 18:36             ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-20 19:20               ` Brian L. Stuart
2008-11-17  8:42 Eris Discordia
2008-11-17  7:57 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 18:30 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 18:08 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 17:19 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 16:58 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 17:17 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-16 18:01   ` ron minnich
     [not found] <96BA4878DB039F3DAE38CCF2@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16 15:09 ` sqweek
2008-11-16 17:41   ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-16 11:39 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16  7:24 Eris Discordia
2008-11-17 10:20 ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-11-17 14:01   ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-17 16:50     ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-11-17 19:45       ` Eris Discordia
     [not found] <906EC091083FF0C3C35F51A9@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16  0:15 ` Felipe Bichued
2008-11-15 22:07 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16  5:27 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-16  6:19   ` Eris Discordia
     [not found] <DBCC6BB0C82C348357A14A53@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-15 11:49 ` Sergey Zhilkin
2008-11-16  4:31 ` Iruata Souza
2008-11-15 11:21 Eris Discordia
2008-11-15 13:38 ` Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave
2008-11-15 15:30   ` hiro
2008-11-15 20:01 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-15 22:13   ` Micah Stetson
2008-11-16  5:47     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-16 19:36       ` Micah Stetson
2008-11-16  6:27     ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]     ` <1282469A8843837F996E64E1@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16  6:57       ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-11-16 11:45         ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]         ` <D6FDC9E2D78F88C07963DBE5@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16 12:49           ` hiro
2008-11-16 16:15             ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 17:38               ` lucio
2008-11-16 13:25           ` Uriel
2008-11-16 19:46       ` Micah Stetson
2008-11-16 21:24         ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 21:52           ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-19  1:59           ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-11-20  2:35             ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]         ` <D0E4FEAEC0D3FD307DE41383@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-17  5:12           ` Micah Stetson
     [not found] <FB6D5E99B294E50B901E8872@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-14 18:21 ` Tom Lieber
2008-11-14 18:59   ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-16  2:45 ` sqweek
2008-11-14 17:29 Eris Discordia
2008-11-14 16:39 Eris Discordia
     [not found] <7D122EF9133395AC4DEA0396@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-13 16:55 ` sqweek
2008-11-13 17:28   ` Brian L. Stuart
2008-11-15  4:12   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-13 14:25 gdiaz
2008-11-14 16:43 ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-14 17:00   ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-12 21:19 Eris Discordia
2008-11-12 23:11 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-12 23:51   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-13  0:35     ` akumar
2008-11-13 11:58   ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-13 14:17     ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-13 16:22       ` Iruata Souza
2008-11-12 19:08 erik quanstrom
2008-11-12 13:23 Eris Discordia
2008-11-12 14:02 ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found] <ba5c9f8b914dc6c6d0b4f533d681cda2@quanstro.net>
2008-11-12  5:52 ` sqweek
2008-11-12  5:22 erik quanstrom
2008-11-12  4:50 erik quanstrom
2008-11-09  6:12 erik quanstrom
2008-11-09 13:52 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-09 20:39   ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-09 21:57     ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-07 21:51 Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-07 22:31 ` ron minnich
2008-11-07 23:19   ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-07 23:45   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-07 23:51     ` ron minnich
2008-11-08  6:16     ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-08  7:22       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-11-08  3:43   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-08  3:56     ` ron minnich
2008-11-08  4:29       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 11:39     ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-07 22:37 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-07 22:38   ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-08  1:45     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 11:47       ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-08 12:11         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-11-08 15:58           ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-08 17:21             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-08 18:27               ` Brantley Coile
2008-11-08 18:32                 ` akumar
2008-11-08 18:44                   ` Russ Cox
2008-11-08 23:56                   ` LiteStar numnums
2008-11-08 19:15             ` John Barham
2008-11-08 22:16               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 23:11                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-08 23:37                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-09 11:26                     ` Steve Simon
2008-11-10  5:50                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10  6:17                         ` sqweek
2008-11-10  6:26                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10 10:00                             ` Robert Raschke
2008-11-11  2:40                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-11  2:53                                 ` sqweek
2008-11-10 22:46                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-10 22:54                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-10  5:26                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10  5:56                       ` Anant Narayanan
2008-11-10  6:18                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10 12:11                           ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                           ` <4a3bd2fc8118cd88c5bd56605ba6d4e9@terzarima.net>
2008-11-11  2:23                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10  6:01                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-08 23:36                 ` Mechiel Lukkien
2008-11-08 22:13           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 22:19             ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-08 22:59               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 23:11                 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-08 23:26                 ` ron minnich
2008-11-09  1:12                   ` Bakul Shah
2008-11-09  5:50               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-09 20:43                 ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-09 22:13                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-09 22:21                     ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-10 21:56         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-10 22:28           ` Anant Narayanan
2008-11-10 23:38           ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-10 23:45             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-11  0:14               ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-11  1:00                 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-11  1:50                   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-11 15:37                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11 16:02                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11 16:36                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11 16:52                         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12  2:42                           ` sqweek
2008-11-12  3:26                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-11 19:18                       ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-11 19:55                         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11 20:08                           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-11 16:30                     ` Uriel
2008-11-11 16:51                       ` ron minnich
2008-11-11 17:01                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11 17:54                         ` sqweek
2008-11-11 19:46                           ` ron minnich
2008-11-11 20:51                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-11 22:33                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12  0:32                                 ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]                                 ` <D06FA45F8C3E658AA29EAAFD@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-12  4:40                                   ` sqweek
2008-11-11 19:54                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12  2:11                             ` sqweek
2008-11-12  2:44                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12  3:51                               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-12 14:29                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-12 14:48                                 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12  4:58                               ` ron minnich
2008-11-12  5:20                                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-12 17:47                                   ` ron minnich
2008-11-12 19:00                                     ` Uriel
2008-11-12 19:13                                       ` geoff
2008-11-12 19:58                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-12 19:55                                           ` Brantley Coile
2008-11-12 21:08                                             ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-11-13 16:37                                         ` Dan Cross
2008-11-14  5:52                                           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-14  8:18                                             ` Steve Simon
2008-11-14 16:35                                             ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-20 12:08                                             ` Dan Cross
2008-11-20 22:57                                               ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-12 19:16                                       ` ron minnich
2008-11-12 19:31                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12 21:20                                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-12  3:40                       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-11  0:19               ` ron minnich
2008-11-11  0:48                 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11  6:35                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11  2:19           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-11  2:32             ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-11-11  6:54             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11  8:45           ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2008-11-11 15:28             ` hiro
2008-11-11 16:25               ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-11-12  1:55             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-12  2:48               ` sqweek

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