From: Eris Discordia <eris.discordia@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:45:48 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D6FDC9E2D78F88C07963DBE5@[192.168.1.2]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <14ec7b180811152257y7f5aa146t90e89c962b210990@mail.gmail.com>
If there were no real routers and the world still used bang paths you
wouldn't be thinking about overlay networks the way you do. Does your
thinking fall under the same category of fallacy?
By the way, I think you have missed the meaning of raison d'etre. There is
a necessity, a problem, somebody responds, solves the problem. NAT (or
TCP/IP, or Plan 9) emerges.
--On Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:57 PM -0700 andrey mirtchovski
<mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 5. If you need NAT weigh the options of doing it. It may turn out that
>> importing /net is the best choice for your application. Or it may turn
>> out otherwise. /net has a raison d'etre--regular NAT, too.
>
> If regular NAT hadn't been invented you wouldn't be thinking in terms
> of regular NAT, therefore you wouldn't be "needing NAT".
>
> Post hoc ergo propter hoc. (you'll find it under "logical fallacy" on
> wikipedia)
>
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2008-11-15 11:21 Eris Discordia
2008-11-15 13:38 ` Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave
2008-11-15 15:30 ` hiro
2008-11-15 20:01 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-15 22:13 ` Micah Stetson
2008-11-16 5:47 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-16 19:36 ` Micah Stetson
2008-11-16 6:27 ` Eris Discordia
[not found] ` <1282469A8843837F996E64E1@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16 6:57 ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-11-16 11:45 ` Eris Discordia [this message]
[not found] ` <D6FDC9E2D78F88C07963DBE5@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16 12:49 ` hiro
2008-11-16 16:15 ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 17:38 ` lucio
2008-11-16 13:25 ` Uriel
2008-11-16 19:46 ` Micah Stetson
2008-11-16 21:24 ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 21:52 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-19 1:59 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-11-20 2:35 ` erik quanstrom
[not found] ` <D0E4FEAEC0D3FD307DE41383@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-17 5:12 ` Micah Stetson
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2008-11-21 0:12 Eris Discordia
2008-11-21 0:42 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-21 7:57 ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-20 22:28 Eris Discordia
2008-11-20 22:42 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-20 21:35 Eris Discordia
2008-11-19 18:31 Eris Discordia
2008-11-19 20:08 ` Anant Narayanan
2008-11-20 0:00 ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-20 4:55 ` blstuart
2008-11-20 7:44 ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-20 17:34 ` Brian L. Stuart
2008-11-20 18:30 ` akumar
2008-11-20 18:36 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-20 19:20 ` Brian L. Stuart
2008-11-17 8:42 Eris Discordia
2008-11-17 7:57 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 18:30 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 18:08 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 17:19 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 16:58 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 17:17 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-16 18:01 ` ron minnich
[not found] <96BA4878DB039F3DAE38CCF2@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16 15:09 ` sqweek
2008-11-16 17:41 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-16 11:39 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 7:24 Eris Discordia
2008-11-17 10:20 ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-11-17 14:01 ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-17 16:50 ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-11-17 19:45 ` Eris Discordia
[not found] <906EC091083FF0C3C35F51A9@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16 0:15 ` Felipe Bichued
2008-11-15 22:07 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 5:27 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-16 6:19 ` Eris Discordia
[not found] <DBCC6BB0C82C348357A14A53@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-15 11:49 ` Sergey Zhilkin
2008-11-16 4:31 ` Iruata Souza
[not found] <FB6D5E99B294E50B901E8872@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-14 18:21 ` Tom Lieber
2008-11-14 18:59 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-16 2:45 ` sqweek
2008-11-14 17:29 Eris Discordia
2008-11-14 16:39 Eris Discordia
[not found] <7D122EF9133395AC4DEA0396@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-13 16:55 ` sqweek
2008-11-13 17:28 ` Brian L. Stuart
2008-11-15 4:12 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-13 14:25 gdiaz
2008-11-14 16:43 ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-14 17:00 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-12 21:19 Eris Discordia
2008-11-12 23:11 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-12 23:51 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-13 0:35 ` akumar
2008-11-13 11:58 ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-13 14:17 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-13 16:22 ` Iruata Souza
2008-11-12 19:08 erik quanstrom
2008-11-12 13:23 Eris Discordia
2008-11-12 14:02 ` Charles Forsyth
[not found] <ba5c9f8b914dc6c6d0b4f533d681cda2@quanstro.net>
2008-11-12 5:52 ` sqweek
2008-11-12 5:22 erik quanstrom
[not found] <150a5464b8f389f1eb92ff001f7d391f@quanstro.net>
2008-11-12 5:17 ` sqweek
2008-11-12 4:50 erik quanstrom
2008-11-09 6:12 erik quanstrom
2008-11-09 13:52 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-09 20:39 ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-09 21:57 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-07 21:51 Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-07 22:31 ` ron minnich
2008-11-07 23:19 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-07 23:45 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-07 23:51 ` ron minnich
2008-11-08 6:16 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-08 7:22 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-11-08 3:43 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 3:56 ` ron minnich
2008-11-08 4:29 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 11:39 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-07 22:37 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-07 22:38 ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-08 1:45 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 11:47 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-08 12:11 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-11-08 15:58 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-08 17:21 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-08 18:27 ` Brantley Coile
2008-11-08 18:32 ` akumar
2008-11-08 18:44 ` Russ Cox
2008-11-08 23:56 ` LiteStar numnums
2008-11-08 19:15 ` John Barham
2008-11-08 22:16 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 23:11 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-08 23:37 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-09 11:26 ` Steve Simon
2008-11-10 5:50 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10 6:17 ` sqweek
2008-11-10 6:26 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10 10:00 ` Robert Raschke
2008-11-11 2:40 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-11 2:53 ` sqweek
2008-11-10 22:46 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-10 22:54 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-10 5:26 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10 5:56 ` Anant Narayanan
2008-11-10 6:18 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10 12:11 ` Charles Forsyth
[not found] ` <4a3bd2fc8118cd88c5bd56605ba6d4e9@terzarima.net>
2008-11-11 2:23 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10 6:01 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-08 23:36 ` Mechiel Lukkien
2008-11-08 22:13 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 22:19 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-08 22:59 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 23:11 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-08 23:26 ` ron minnich
2008-11-09 1:12 ` Bakul Shah
2008-11-09 5:50 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-09 20:43 ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-09 22:13 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-09 22:21 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-10 21:56 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-10 22:28 ` Anant Narayanan
2008-11-10 23:38 ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-10 23:45 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-11 0:14 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-11 1:00 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-11 1:50 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-11 15:37 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11 16:02 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11 16:36 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11 16:52 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12 2:42 ` sqweek
2008-11-12 3:26 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-11 19:18 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-11 19:55 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11 20:08 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-11 16:30 ` Uriel
2008-11-11 16:51 ` ron minnich
2008-11-11 17:01 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11 17:54 ` sqweek
2008-11-11 19:46 ` ron minnich
2008-11-11 20:51 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-11 22:33 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12 0:32 ` Eris Discordia
[not found] ` <D06FA45F8C3E658AA29EAAFD@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-12 4:40 ` sqweek
2008-11-11 19:54 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12 2:11 ` sqweek
2008-11-12 2:44 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12 3:51 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-12 14:29 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-12 14:48 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12 4:58 ` ron minnich
2008-11-12 5:20 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-12 17:47 ` ron minnich
2008-11-12 19:00 ` Uriel
2008-11-12 19:13 ` geoff
2008-11-12 19:58 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-12 19:55 ` Brantley Coile
2008-11-12 21:08 ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-11-13 16:37 ` Dan Cross
2008-11-14 5:52 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-14 8:18 ` Steve Simon
2008-11-14 16:35 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-20 12:08 ` Dan Cross
2008-11-20 22:57 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-12 19:16 ` ron minnich
2008-11-12 19:31 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12 21:20 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-12 3:40 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-11 0:19 ` ron minnich
2008-11-11 0:48 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11 6:35 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11 2:19 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-11 2:32 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-11-11 6:54 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11 8:45 ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2008-11-11 15:28 ` hiro
2008-11-11 16:25 ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-11-12 1:55 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-12 2:48 ` sqweek
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