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From: Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:30:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5d375e920811110830k1c91a401y5e6f39f1737d4240@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <29302f743a99f05c1d9ac196b0245f81@9netics.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
>> This approach seems to be flawed on two accounts:
>>    1. it forces the server to resolve symlinks and special
>>    nodes, without an option for the client to do the same.
>>    That prevents cross-tree symlinks and nodes as the
>>    points of rendezvous *on the client*. IOW, the following
>>    will not work:
>>       $ mknod <imported FS>/test p
>>       $ echo test >> <imported FS>/test &
>>         cat <imported FS>/test
>>    I can buy a point of view that reading on a node that happens
>>    to be a character device should really bring the data from
>>    the remote server's device attached to that node. However,
>>    that point of view is much more difficult to sell for
>>    FIFOs.
>>
>>    2. It doesn't let manipulate these special files. IOW,
>>    readlink(2) fails and so does mknod(2)/symlink(2).
>
> operations like these (symlink, readlink, lock, etc.) that only have
> significance at the extremities should not worry the transit relays.
> that was the reason for Text/Rext proposal.
>
> regardless, interpretation of the ops in a hetergeneous environment
> will be a problem.

It is not a problem if the ops are Topen/Tread/Twrite (on an
alternative attach), as agreed at the first iwp9, sadly people seems
to forget quite easily, and as brucee points out, lack of vision
prevails, that is what doomed .u and will doom .L and other such silly
and pointless hacks, trying to butcher 9P into becoming FUSE, way to
go, and pray for ten thousand monkeys with typewriters because you
will need them to beat the lunix monkeys at their own game.

(Wasn't the disaster of adding .u to p9p a clear enough indication of
how hopeless that path is?)


Peace

uriel



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-11 16:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-07 21:51 Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-07 22:31 ` ron minnich
2008-11-07 23:19   ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-07 23:45   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-07 23:51     ` ron minnich
2008-11-08  6:16     ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-08  7:22       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-11-08  3:43   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-08  3:56     ` ron minnich
2008-11-08  4:29       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 11:39     ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-07 22:37 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-07 22:38   ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-08  1:45     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 11:47       ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-08 12:11         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-11-08 15:58           ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-08 17:21             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-08 18:27               ` Brantley Coile
2008-11-08 18:32                 ` akumar
2008-11-08 18:44                   ` Russ Cox
2008-11-08 23:56                   ` LiteStar numnums
2008-11-08 19:15             ` John Barham
2008-11-08 22:16               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 23:11                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-08 23:37                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-09 11:26                     ` Steve Simon
2008-11-10  5:50                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10  6:17                         ` sqweek
2008-11-10  6:26                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10 10:00                             ` Robert Raschke
2008-11-11  2:40                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-11  2:53                                 ` sqweek
2008-11-10 22:46                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-10 22:54                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-10  5:26                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10  5:56                       ` Anant Narayanan
2008-11-10  6:18                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10 12:11                           ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                           ` <4a3bd2fc8118cd88c5bd56605ba6d4e9@terzarima.net>
2008-11-11  2:23                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-10  6:01                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-08 23:36                 ` Mechiel Lukkien
2008-11-08 22:13           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 22:19             ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-08 22:59               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-08 23:11                 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-08 23:26                 ` ron minnich
2008-11-09  1:12                   ` Bakul Shah
2008-11-09  5:50               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-09 20:43                 ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-09 22:13                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-09 22:21                     ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-10 21:56         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-10 22:28           ` Anant Narayanan
2008-11-10 23:38           ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-10 23:45             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-11  0:14               ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-11  1:00                 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-11  1:50                   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-11 15:37                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11 16:02                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11 16:36                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11 16:52                         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12  2:42                           ` sqweek
2008-11-12  3:26                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-11 19:18                       ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-11 19:55                         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11 20:08                           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-11 16:30                     ` Uriel [this message]
2008-11-11 16:51                       ` ron minnich
2008-11-11 17:01                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11 17:54                         ` sqweek
2008-11-11 19:46                           ` ron minnich
2008-11-11 20:51                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-11 22:33                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12  0:32                                 ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]                                 ` <D06FA45F8C3E658AA29EAAFD@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-12  4:40                                   ` sqweek
2008-11-11 19:54                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12  2:11                             ` sqweek
2008-11-12  2:44                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12  3:51                               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-12 14:29                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-12 14:48                                 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12  4:58                               ` ron minnich
2008-11-12  5:20                                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-12 17:47                                   ` ron minnich
2008-11-12 19:00                                     ` Uriel
2008-11-12 19:13                                       ` geoff
2008-11-12 19:58                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-12 19:55                                           ` Brantley Coile
2008-11-12 21:08                                             ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-11-13 16:37                                         ` Dan Cross
2008-11-14  5:52                                           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-14  8:18                                             ` Steve Simon
2008-11-14 16:35                                             ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-20 12:08                                             ` Dan Cross
2008-11-20 22:57                                               ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-12 19:16                                       ` ron minnich
2008-11-12 19:31                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-12 21:20                                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-12  3:40                       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-11  0:19               ` ron minnich
2008-11-11  0:48                 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-11-11  6:35                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11  2:19           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-11  2:32             ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-11-11  6:54             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-11  8:45           ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2008-11-11 15:28             ` hiro
2008-11-11 16:25               ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-11-12  1:55             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-11-12  2:48               ` sqweek
2008-11-09  6:12 erik quanstrom
2008-11-09 13:52 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-09 20:39   ` C H Forsyth
2008-11-09 21:57     ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-12  4:50 erik quanstrom
     [not found] <150a5464b8f389f1eb92ff001f7d391f@quanstro.net>
2008-11-12  5:17 ` sqweek
2008-11-12  5:22 erik quanstrom
     [not found] <ba5c9f8b914dc6c6d0b4f533d681cda2@quanstro.net>
2008-11-12  5:52 ` sqweek
2008-11-12 13:23 Eris Discordia
2008-11-12 14:02 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-12 19:08 erik quanstrom
2008-11-12 21:19 Eris Discordia
2008-11-12 23:11 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-12 23:51   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-13  0:35     ` akumar
2008-11-13 11:58   ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-13 14:17     ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-13 16:22       ` Iruata Souza
2008-11-13 14:25 gdiaz
2008-11-14 16:43 ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-14 17:00   ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <7D122EF9133395AC4DEA0396@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-13 16:55 ` sqweek
2008-11-13 17:28   ` Brian L. Stuart
2008-11-15  4:12   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-14 16:39 Eris Discordia
2008-11-14 17:29 Eris Discordia
     [not found] <FB6D5E99B294E50B901E8872@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-14 18:21 ` Tom Lieber
2008-11-14 18:59   ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-16  2:45 ` sqweek
2008-11-15 11:21 Eris Discordia
2008-11-15 13:38 ` Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave
2008-11-15 15:30   ` hiro
2008-11-15 20:01 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-15 22:13   ` Micah Stetson
2008-11-16  5:47     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-16 19:36       ` Micah Stetson
2008-11-16  6:27     ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]     ` <1282469A8843837F996E64E1@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16  6:57       ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-11-16 11:45         ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]         ` <D6FDC9E2D78F88C07963DBE5@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16 12:49           ` hiro
2008-11-16 16:15             ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 17:38               ` lucio
2008-11-16 13:25           ` Uriel
2008-11-16 19:46       ` Micah Stetson
2008-11-16 21:24         ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 21:52           ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-19  1:59           ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-11-20  2:35             ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]         ` <D0E4FEAEC0D3FD307DE41383@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-17  5:12           ` Micah Stetson
2008-11-15 22:07 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16  5:27 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-16  6:19   ` Eris Discordia
     [not found] <906EC091083FF0C3C35F51A9@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16  0:15 ` Felipe Bichued
     [not found] <DBCC6BB0C82C348357A14A53@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-15 11:49 ` Sergey Zhilkin
2008-11-16  4:31 ` Iruata Souza
2008-11-16  7:24 Eris Discordia
2008-11-17 10:20 ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-11-17 14:01   ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-17 16:50     ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-11-17 19:45       ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 11:39 Eris Discordia
     [not found] <96BA4878DB039F3DAE38CCF2@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-16 15:09 ` sqweek
2008-11-16 17:41   ` Charles Forsyth
2008-11-16 16:58 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 17:17 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-16 18:01   ` ron minnich
2008-11-16 17:19 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 18:08 Eris Discordia
2008-11-16 18:30 Eris Discordia
2008-11-17  7:57 Eris Discordia
2008-11-17  8:42 Eris Discordia
2008-11-19 18:31 Eris Discordia
2008-11-19 20:08 ` Anant Narayanan
2008-11-20  0:00   ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-20  4:55     ` blstuart
2008-11-20  7:44       ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-20 17:34         ` Brian L. Stuart
2008-11-20 18:30           ` akumar
2008-11-20 18:36             ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-20 19:20               ` Brian L. Stuart
2008-11-20 21:35 Eris Discordia
2008-11-20 22:28 Eris Discordia
2008-11-20 22:42 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-21  0:12 Eris Discordia
2008-11-21  0:42 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-21  7:57   ` Eris Discordia

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